Featured Member / Kilo Klub
- Mar 3, 2014
yeah one of the smart guys on this board mentioned this
then stewie 'liked' it.. which pretty much means it's true
Yeah I brought this up a year or so ago.
Don't take your paxil with it tho.
Yeah scott Stevenson brought this to my attention a year or so ago.. I know John meadows recommends nolva over the other AI .. My question ( that the studies can't really answer) is how strong a AI is it ? I can't imagine it's on par with , say, aromasin.. My other issue with nolva ( it looks great on paper) is the constant mention of carcinogenic properties.. Thats why I am experimenting with DIM while on my trt .. We shall see..
Nolvadex was around since 1967, I knew what it was in 1980, so Dan didn't tell me anything I already didn't know. Everyone I knew was taking Nolvadex with Test in their cycles. We would do HCG and Nolvadex for our PCT. The reason people got gyno, was too lazy to take it or didn't take high enough amounts for the amount they took of AAS.
Its odd when you look at it.
All 70's bodybuilder didnt have gyno. But i dont know what gear they use.
I know they used dbol, but dont know about anything else.
Dan Duchaine introduced tamoxifen back in the 80's. Not sure how A.I's came into the scene. Possibly Dan as well?
The first gear-lined board I became a bit active on was MuscleMag, in the grey area forum. That was around 96-97. One of my first net purchases was from a Mod there which consisted of Brovel deca, Omnadren 250 and some tamoxifen.
It's been around for a bit.
According to Ric Drasin and others from that time the main ones used were deca and dbol.
Testosterone wasn't in the mix so gyno wasn't really an issue. And the deca and dbol was real, and the deca wasn't half testosterone etc.. nowadays there a lot of bait and switch so if you wanted to run a pure deca cycle it can be difficult unless getting from a doctor.
One thing to think about is alot of those 60's and 70's guys did absolutely nothing about the elevated estrogen problems.....
.....and alot of those 60's and 70's guys ended up fairly young with heart attacks, bypasses and heart problems.
is it the culprit? Dont know but its there
It does share dual properties as an A.I/SERM. The issue arises though some of the metabolites may undergo resistance.
There is development of a more impregnable analog of
norendoxifen, 4'-hydroxynorendoxifen in which has a higher binding affinity for ERa and ERb receptors. Activation still has to occur, so binding, regardless of affinity may be null.