Why did the PH's/DS's dissapear?

[RLara85]

It's probably old news but I'm completely lost, shopping around one day and no matter what site I go to nobody carries... well, anything. CEL's stuff is gone, dymethazine is gone, kilosports stuff is gone..... just whatever's left on ebay.

Was there some huge ban that I'm unaware of? Did these products all become discontinued or are they still being produce and retailers no longer carrying them?

 

[Nate.184]

there was another big ban by the FDA. some were just discontinued i believe but most the popular ones were banned

 

[RLara85]

Oh wow, this was a pretty big ban. Were any good compounds spared? Just saw the list, it's enormous.

 

[Gymratforlife]

There has been no official ban they are just going around raiding retailers and manufacturers that make or carry any of these products so every one has stopped making them. Here is the link to Bodybuilding.com getting raided recently by the FDA for prohormones. This was a few weeks ago. **broken link removed**

 

[Thebigone]

I dont get the whole deal. First I heard all PH's are banned but are not yet scheduled b/c it takes the FDA a long time. Then I hear just the compound in Tren is the only one banned. I doubt they can just ban them all. They would have to ban specific compounds.

 

[sarcoplasm]

It's probably old news but I'm completely lost, shopping around one day and no matter what site I go to nobody carries... well, anything. CEL's stuff is gone, dymethazine is gone, kilosports stuff is gone..... just whatever's left on ebay.

Was there some huge ban that I'm unaware of? Did these products all become discontinued or are they still being produce and retailers no longer carrying them?

I'm surprised you haven't heard about this yet but due to a raid on bodybuilding .com supplement warehouse ALL desighner anabolics are on borrowed time and many sites have either dropped these types of items or are selling existing stock. There is no official ban as of yet but many supp sites are giving into fear and pressure rather than face legal action.
All items are still available although some brands prices have skyrocketed i.e. Spawn, Havoc
Your best bets are tfsupplements, supplementwarehouse, and islandsupplements and also lockout store.
Our gov't has decided that you are not capable of making an intelligent descicion about your health so they will do it for you, but to those who abuse alcohol, cigarettes and are violently obese causting our health care system BILLIONS your rights are still intact

 

[btech]

If you look at elitefts's Q&A, Marc Bartley is selling good prohormones through his store. But, I know nothing about the subject of good PH/DS's..... go see for yourself.

 

[Ehren]

And there's always England, where the FDA has no power...Genetic Edge (Brit. Company) still makes SD as far as I know. Top notch from what I hear.

 

[RLara85]

I'm surprised you haven't heard about this yet but due to a raid on bodybuilding .com supplement warehouse ALL desighner anabolics are on borrowed time and many sites have either dropped these types of items or are selling existing stock. There is no official ban as of yet but many supp sites are giving into fear and pressure rather than face legal action.
All items are still available although some brands prices have skyrocketed i.e. Spawn, Havoc
Your best bets are tfsupplements, supplementwarehouse, and islandsupplements and also lockout store.
Our gov't has decided that you are not capable of making an intelligent descicion about your health so they will do it for you, but to those who abuse alcohol, cigarettes and are violently obese causting our health care system BILLIONS your rights are still intact

I had heard of the BB.com raid but I figured it would just affect BB.com, most of the big retailers I used to check out have removed everything. Even if say, you go to IForce's website, dymethazine is no longer mentioned anywhere, same for other companies.

That's why I was curious if they are just holding back until the "scare" goes away or if the companies actually stopped production indefinitely. If it's not a true ban I guess we can see some re-surface again.

Thanks for the sites though, and totally agree.... amazing that this stuff is banned yet you can stock up on smokes, a six-pack of beer and stop by and get a 1,000 calorie meal from the local burger doodle no problem.

 

[SupremeSportsEnhance]

There was an FDA raid on bodybuilding.com, most retailers have ceased sales altogether. I really can't believe it took so long..

You can still get them at Orbit Nutrition or **broken link removed**.

 

[Little Bear]

I'm personal friends with the guy who owns Orbit and the previous owner of Orbit as well. They're being extra careful about their ph sales and what they have available. It's a very touchy time for ph's and they're trying to save face and not get any attention called to them as well over ph's. That's why they discontinued selling a few of them in the past.

 

[Thebigone]

I have a sealed bottle of havoc I'll let go for $65 plus shipping. eBay didn't like the auction and took it down (which confused me b/c I see some sellers selling it for $79+ and have been for awhile).

Ebay is anal about everything. Even though ephedrine is legal they still wont let you post it. I had yellow bullets with ephedrine and listed it and ebay removed it. So I listed it again and didnt put the word "ephedrine" in the title and just put "yellow bullets" and then a link in the description and it sold. Same with Tren by ACL. I listed it and they removed it and said "no drug sales" LOL what a crock. So I listed it again but just listed "american cellular labs" and then in the description I just listed the actual ingredient and didnt put the word "tren" it sold for $170

 

[Little Bear]

I feel like you know shit's getting bad when people are selling bottles of havoc for double the price lol

 

[sarcoplasm]

I feel like you know shit's getting bad when people are selling bottles of havoc for double the price lol

That is amazing but even more so is some are getting $120-200 for a bottle of Spawn! I wish I had $ to invest

 

[Gymratforlife]

Any1 handling or selling Designers right now might as well be handling injectable test Vials. These are anabolics same as winstrol or dbol and the FDA knows it and they are not playing dumb any more. Even though they have not been scheduled a controlled substance they are smashing down doors and confiscating stock as if it was schedule 3. The companies still selling these products out in the open are playing with fire.

 

[Thebigone]

Any1 handling or selling Designers right now might as well be handling injectable test Vials. These are anabolics same as winstrol or dbol and the FDA knows it and they are not playing dumb any more. Even though they have not been scheduled a controlled substance they are smashing down doors and confiscating stock as if it was schedule 3. The companies still selling these products out in the open are playing with fire.

But if they are not scheduled or controlled then how are they bashing doors down? There has to be a law that has been passed making them illegal to do this, and that law cannot just be "all ph's" it would have to be specific compounds.

 

[BigBoyJ]

Yeah, I don't get it. If they aren't banned yet, how is the government able to anything about sales or posession? Has the government just decided that it's only their opinion that matters now and that there's no need to wait for a law to be passed?

 

[sarcoplasm]

Yeah, I don't get it. If they aren't banned yet, how is the government able to anything about sales or posession? Has the government just decided that it's only their opinion that matters now and that there's no need to wait for a law to be passed?

Well I think it goes something like this: the FDA has the power to confiscate/pressure any supp company from producing and selling these right now but they cannot PROSECUTE anyone. These products are currently legal to sell but risky to say the least. Many supp companies have jumped ship deciding that it's not worth it to continue selling,especially if they do better on your conventional supplement sales. By whacking bb.com they scared off the smaller guys....a very calculated tactical and effecttive move. Now the feds want to broaden the definition of anabolic substances to prevent any future loopholes....this actually may have already been done.

 

[Ashop]

It's probably old news but I'm completely lost, shopping around one day and no matter what site I go to nobody carries... well, anything. CEL's stuff is gone, dymethazine is gone, kilosports stuff is gone..... just whatever's left on ebay.

Was there some huge ban that I'm unaware of? Did these products all become discontinued or are they still being produce and retailers no longer carrying them?

The FDA stepped in,,just like with androstene,,M1T etc...
If you liked them better stock up now.

 

[Nate.184]

anybody use any of the products by Chaparral Labs? any good?

i stocked up on some CEL m-drol etc. but after hearing the 2009 batches are bunk im looking for a better quality product