why did they grow on insulin only?

bigbaldbulldog · Aug 2, 2005

I had 4 friends who just did a 4 week cycle of 8ius insulin (humiln-r) only and gained an average of 22 lbs each...i was always under the impression that one should take other items with insulin...

timn · Aug 2, 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#Actions_on_cellular_and_metabolic_level , i think that sums it up pretty well. Of course you can gain lots of weight with just insulin only but how much of that will be muscle is a different story..

hardkor · Aug 2, 2005

Wow, that's amazing results regardless if some of it is fat! I'm curious tho, it seems that everyone is using Humalog these days but i would think that Humilin R would work better for mass gaining since one has 2+ hours to shove carbs/protein in.

Crowler · Aug 2, 2005

All I gained was fat when I tried insulin by itself.

CROWLER

ncsports · Aug 2, 2005

how much was lbm on the slin?

if they did their diet right i would think they could add a decent amount of lbm on slin alone.

bigbaldbulldog · Aug 2, 2005

LMB mass before they started was 163 on average

LBM mass after 8 weeks was 171 on average

preist943 · Aug 3, 2005

well slin is the #1 anabolic hormone in the body as said by many studies. I know it works wonders for me at 20iu ed

bigbaldbulldog · Aug 3, 2005

preist943 said:
well slin is the #1 anabolic hormone in the body as said by many studies. I know it works wonders for me at 20iu ed

WOW 20....isn't that high? I always heard 8-12ius tops...be careful and are you using humlin-R

Crowler · Aug 3, 2005

bigbaldbulldog said:
LMB mass before they started was 163 on average

LBM mass after 8 weeks was 171 on average

I think I figured it out.

BBB, they gained 8 lbs of muscle and 14lbs of fat in 8 weeks. It may not have been the slin at all. When they go to diet down they will probably lose a couple pounds of muscle so they gained 6lbs in 8 weeks. Nothing too special I don't think. Right?

CROWLER

galaxy · Aug 3, 2005

Id be happy with a 6lb muscle gain in 8 weeks. Shit thats good.

Crowler · Aug 3, 2005

Galaxy, you are an experienced BB so I understand but these guys started at 163lbs of LBM I figured they must be pretty new to working out.

CROWLER

gooey · Aug 3, 2005

also....

there is a correlation with water retention and insulin usage. Could explain some weight gain. I think it is a gentic predisposition. How does one react to high calories? Sugars, fats, proteins? If a person is highly sensitive to sugar and has a high insulin/fat repsonse then insulin is not a good tool to use. This tool worx well with individuals who r naturally lean and find it hard to gain weight. Can make outstanding gains. Insulin is the #1 most anabolic hormone in the body, but our genetic predisposition determines where these nutrients are stored.
gooey

Tman2002 · Aug 4, 2005

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6 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks is great! I may only net 10 or so pounds of acutual muscle a year. But you have to think if I started training at a weight of 180 pounds 5 years ago and I now have the exact same bodyfat, water and amount waste in my bowels, wich is unlikely but for the sake of argument. I know weigh in at 250 thats only about 10-12 pounds a year. In another 5 years with the same progress I'll be at 300.

Moen · Aug 4, 2005

Not meaning to flame, but 163 lbm and already on insulin ...

gimmejuice · Aug 5, 2005

bigbaldbulldog said:
I had 4 friends who just did a 4 week cycle of 8ius insulin (humiln-r) only and gained an average of 22 lbs each...i was always under the impression that one should take other items with insulin...

How did you find 4 people that were interested in using slin alone? They all 4 did the same thing, for the same ammount of time, at the same time, and all happened to average a 22lb gain? Sorry, I just woke up and this just sounds weird.

bigbaldbulldog · Aug 5, 2005

gimmejuice said:
How did you find 4 people that were interested in using slin alone? They all 4 did the same thing, for the same ammount of time, at the same time, and all happened to average a 22lb gain? Sorry, I just woke up and this just sounds weird.

All these guys workout together, they attend college, get drug tested and they read that is is impossible to test for insulin and that you can grow and best of all you can get it at any drug store without a prescription so they all went on together....

PHIL HERNON · Aug 5, 2005

Its amazing to me

that 4 guys would do this to themselves. Cant someone talk some sense into these guys? BBB, cant you? Do they understand the damage short/long term they are doing? A lot of people forget that not only does insulin lower blood sugar, but serum potassium levels also.

bigbaldbulldog · Aug 5, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
that 4 guys would do this to themselves. Cant someone talk some sense into these guys? BBB, cant you? Do they understand the damage short/long term they are doing? A lot of people forget that not only does insulin lower blood sugar, but serum potassium levels also.

Ahhh...the college mantality...it is hard to talk to college jocks about the risk of using insulin..they all know what they are doing and if 4 of them are doing it it is safer..right?...I never have nor will tell someone how to take insulin... too may things can go wrong -vs- go right...the risk is too great to get the reward...take an extra month or two to get there...phil you know how it is to talk to some ppl...they smile,nod and do what they want cause they think you are holding back or blowing smoke up their arse...

talk to you soon buddy and see you sooner....all my ducks are falling into place and i am looking awesome with the suggestions you have made to diet,training and those new supps you carry kick major ass...thank you..

PHIL HERNON · Aug 5, 2005

Hey

bigbaldbulldog said:
Ahhh...the college mantality...it is hard to talk to college jocks about the risk of using insulin..they all know what they are doing and if 4 of them are doing it it is safer..right?...I never have nor will tell someone how to take insulin... too may things can go wrong -vs- go right...the risk is too great to get the reward...take an extra month or two to get there...phil you know how it is to talk to some ppl...they smile,nod and do what they want cause they think you are holding back or blowing smoke up their arse...

talk to you soon buddy and see you sooner....all my ducks are falling into place and i am looking awesome with the suggestions you have made to diet,training and those new supps you carry kick major ass...thank you..

You looked UNBELIEVABLE the last time I saw you! Keep it up!!