Winny clogging pins, drink instead?

ironone1 · Jan 17, 2005

I just converted some Winstrol powder that didn't suspend so good. I got alot of chunks it seems in the liquid. I didn't filter it because I thought I would lose alot of the gear. I tried to push the plunger down on one of the syringes that I pre-loaded, and it would'nt budge. I got a feeling that most of them are probably the same way. I wish I would have done fina instead but decided to try something different this time. Do any of ya'll vets out there have any suggestions? Should I just drink it instead of poking myself for nothing? I hear the stuff doesn't suspend that good most of the time. Thx. again for all responses....ironone1

bigdan · Jan 17, 2005

you can add some oil in the syringe and it will help keep it from clogging, but if the chunks are to big or if this hurts i would drink it

rAJJIN · Jan 17, 2005

Ive had no luck with it or suspension..
Stick with the oilbase as there MUCH more stable.

Ive got 200ml in there thats the same way.. It looks like
small pebbles in the bottom and they Will NOT melt down even at crazy high temps..

You can try and drink it other then just tossing it
But Im just pitching mine, same as I had to do with the test suspension.

ironone1 · Jan 17, 2005

Yeah, I was thinking of doing the same, just calling it a loss of 25 grams, than dick around with it. What a waste with all the bact. water I had to buy on top of it, and the pins I loaded. I wonder if I'd get any benefit from drinking it with juice?

MikeS · Jan 17, 2005

Damn guys come on! Yes you can drink the Winny! And Ref-B...
Both are 17-aa unlike most injectables and will survive pass through
the digestive tract.

Now Ive pitched out some suspension before...hated to do that but oh well.
Like rAJ said get oil based. Cleaner also.

rAJJIN · Jan 17, 2005

I here ya

we live and learn.. I know itll work and CAN be done BUT I guess its a delicate process. More trouble then I want to mess with unless someone comes up with a surefire way thats simple I doubt I try again.

In oil and PEG its possable I understand and easier but not the water.

rAJJIN · Jan 17, 2005

well

If his is in the same shape as Mine Id say it would be hard to get an acurate dose. also Id have to take the top off and pour it into something because there no drAwing it out into a pin. (in my situation)

If your going to make some up for oral use Imo the easiest and most acurate way is put it into an oral solution and then inject it into gel caps..

Armageddon · Jan 18, 2005

I know there are some great kit makers out there and some are better than others. But why all the big problems. I know not many agree with him but animals kits always seem to work for everything. He's got me doing fina thru a waterbased solution and has suspension and all kinds of other things working.

ironone1 · Jan 18, 2005

Armageddon said:
I know there are some great kit makers out there and some are better than others. But why all the big problems. I know not many agree with him but animals kits always seem to work for everything. He's got me doing fina thru a waterbased solution and has suspension and all kinds of other things working.

Well, I know there are some good kits out there, but for the amount of bact. water that is required to convert 25 grams, it wouldn't be worth it. I don't need a kit for one thing, all I needed was a quart jar, and my pins which I pre-loaded. I could be wrong but I thought bact. water was all that you needed to convert winstrol. As far as oil goes, well, its a little late for that. I'll probably just get some fina instead and drink the winny with some juice for shits and giggles. I know the doses won't be accurate since it was a little bit foamy when I converted it.

ironone1 · Jan 18, 2005

rAJJIN said:
If his is in the same shape as Mine Id say it would be hard to get an acurate dose. also Id have to take the top off and pour it into something because there no drAwing it out into a pin. (in my situation)

If your going to make some up for oral use Imo the easiest and most acurate way is put it into an oral solution and then inject it into gel caps..

Yeah that's about the same situation that I'm in. I would have to pull the plunger out to pour the winstrol out cause the pins are clogged. I even went to 23g instead of 25's for E.D. injections, but it didn't matter.

haze324 · Jan 18, 2005

I thought you still needed PEG when conveting with bac. water? Can you draw with an 18 or 20g needle and then drink? I'm thinking there's gotta be a way to make this work rather than throwing it away. Like you said, at least for shits and giggles.

FRKNHUGE · Jan 18, 2005

hey guyyyys how much do u love me
esp u rajj lol
if u mix in 15% BB into the suspension or V itll turn it to a Gel like substance, then shake it and shoot it
after doing this, it will pass a 25g
frk

xcelbeyond · Jan 18, 2005

Get Kaotic Chemistry's Easy Kit with PEG. It'll hold 100mg/ml no problem - will flow through a 25g pin and is painless! Plus you get the same effect as in water since the body absorbs PEG just as fast (if not faster) than water. I can't tell you how many countless winny experiments have gone bad until I got these kits!

rAJJIN · Jan 18, 2005

FRKNHUGE said:
hey guyyyys how much do u love me
esp u rajj lol
if u mix in 15% BB into the suspension or V itll turn it to a Gel like substance, then shake it and shoot it
after doing this, it will pass a 25g
frk

Im confused?
Just the powder and 15%bb? nothing else? no oil, Peg or water?
more details please?

rAJJIN · Jan 18, 2005

xcelbeyond said:
Get Kaotic Chemistry's Easy Kit with PEG. It'll hold 100mg/ml no problem - will flow through a 25g pin and is painless! Plus you get the same effect as in water since the body absorbs PEG just as fast (if not faster) than water. I can't tell you how many countless winny experiments have gone bad until I got these kits!

Xcel,
so you used the Peg not the water kit?
Is the final product stay mixed, like it would in oil?
Or do you have to shake it up like a suspension?

Have you tried it with Tne?

rAJJIN · Jan 18, 2005

Armageddon said:
I know there are some great kit makers out there and some are better than others. But why all the big problems. I know not many agree with him but animals kits always seem to work for everything. He's got me doing fina thru a waterbased solution and has suspension and all kinds of other things working.

Maybe you can Give us details?
Have you made the waterbase Test suspension yourself with success?
Or the Winni for that matter?
Im all ears Guys.

xcelbeyond · Jan 18, 2005

rAJJIN said:
Xcel,
so you used the Peg not the water kit?
Is the final product stay mixed, like it would in oil?
Or do you have to shake it up like a suspension?

Have you tried it with Tne?

I've used every other kit out there and the winny has always crystalized out. A told me it was 'cause my powder wasn't pure but it happened w/powder from different sources (including those he suggested).

I need to warm up the solution a bit but the winny goes in and STAYS IN!!! Just like an oil-based product and never need to shake it up.

Now everyone tells me how "easy" it is to suspend TNE, but I've had the same problems including KC's kits.

ironone1 · Jan 18, 2005

xcelbeyond said:
I've used every other kit out there and the winny has always crystalized out. A told me it was 'cause my powder wasn't pure but it happened w/powder from different sources (including those he suggested).

I need to warm up the solution a bit but the winny goes in and STAYS IN!!! Just like an oil-based product and never need to shake it up.

Now everyone tells me how "easy" it is to suspend TNE, but I've had the same problems including KC's kits.

Yeah I hear Kaotic Chemistry is the shit. Too bad I already mixed it with bact. water. Maybe next time.