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LMAO , not exactly
What's wrong with it. It's served me well several times.
You must be an awful driver.
Cops lie to get bust all the time. If you don't know your rights than they can be taken from you.
When training a dog to detect something ...it takes a lot of time an money to train each item, and the dog is always limited. The more he/ she can detect the less sensitive they become... Coke, meth, heroine,pot is about all d-dogs are trained for. They even use differnt dogs to find living or dead people. Bombs ect.
So if they lie and just say the dog hit in something does that give them cause to search. Can u say I'm still not giving you permissions to check the vehicle . Can you say I don't believe your dog hit on somthing because there is nothing for him to hit on in the vehicle. They going to say the fog hit on something regardless and use that to justify search ?The dog dident hit on the drugs. They simply used that as an excuse to search
cop:"sir can we search you car?"
Suspect: "nope"
Cop:"dispatch roll k-9"
5 min later dog standing around looking for his toy freaking out
Cop: "sir our K-9 has "hit" on your trunk that's probable cause for search, please step back here , I'm cuffing you for your protection , have a seT and we'll be right with you"
Suspect: "oh god officer I'm so sorry I got juice in their , posse don't call my dad he's gonna kill me"
Alot of drug interdictment cops go through a school for a process called T-capping.
You are trained to look for hinge out of the norm. We use it alot around here in the I-10 / I-12 corridor
So if they lie and just say the dog hit in something does that give them cause to search.Yes this does happen typicaly if the cop senses somthing is up they will manipulate the situation to justify searching Can u say I'm still not giving you permissions to check the vehicle . Can you say I don't believe your dog hit on somthing because there is nothing for him to hit on in the vehicle.You can say that all you want but your word against the cops 99% of the time your not going to win They going to say the fog hit on something regardless and use that to justify search ?Somtimes the will say that the dog has shown indication and alot of the time the dog will simply becuase their has been somthing in their at some point for him to detect so its not exactly a lie , if you smoke weed in your car they smell will linger for a very long time despite what you try to do to clean it , the oils and oder get trappen in the thin foam in the head liner floor boards what ever
I have a bit of experience in this field as I am a former K9 handler and trainer for the US Military.
1) A working K9 can indeed smell nearly ANYTHING he has been trained to smell. They have found cadavers at the bottom of a lake by sniffing the surface from a row boat. They are being used to detect hormone secretions in sweat that precede a seizure, and a few have even been trained to sniff out internal tumors in humans. For a K9 to pick up the scent of the grapeseed or cottonseed oil is not a stretch at all. In fact a K9 could be trained to pick from two specimens of oil, one pure and the other loaded with Test or other hormones. HOWEVER.....
2) A K9 must be trained to IDENTIFY smell in order to HIT. All dogs have a good olfactory sense. But it's not like you hid a salami, the dog sniffs it out, and then you simply tell the dog...."now find cocaine". The way K9 dogs are trained is an arduous process and usually highly specialized. Drug detection dogs are trained differently than explosives detection, and yet still differently from those used in search and rescue. An explosives dog does a passive find (sits or lies down upon a hit), whereas a drug dog does an active find (scratches, growls, claws at the hit). When these dogs are very young they are given a toy. It is their favorite plaything. That becomes their one and only reward, along with praise from their handler. They are then given an object impregnated with a smell. For instance, a canvas sack that smells like weed or coke. The object is hidden. The dog is marched through a search pattern. When he hits.....he is rewarded. Eventually instinct takes over and the dog so so so wants that toy and praise, that he seeks the smell very aggressively. Drug dogs are routinely trained (given sample smells and taught to seek them out on active find missions) for all the usual drugs, coke, heroin, meth, weed, etc. It is possible that Customs and Border Protection have now started training dogs to search on roids...but I doubt it.
3) What is likely to have happened, is that the officers keyed in on something else (appearance, actions, speech, etc.) and used the K9 search as an excuse. A good lawyer for the guy would ask for a record of the K9's training regimen, and if the dog was never TAUGHT to recognize roids as an item to hit on- then the officers are BS'ing and the search is illegal as there was no probable cause.
I am not LE, and no longer involved in K9 work. I do know this.....to anyone out there who is ever in a situation involving a working K9.... 1) Never run. 2) Unless you know they are wrong and there is nothing there to find....never give permission for a search. Keep your mouth shut, and let the situation unfold as it will, and then lawyer the F up.
13 years in dog training, never seen this...dogs don't trigger on hormones, or they would signal on every male, I would strongly suggest they used dog to intemidate.
Is it typical for a k9 unit to be pulling over cars for speeding and then take the dog up to the car? Ive never heard of or seen that before. Seems very odd to me.