You dont know how to train......

Tman2002 · Aug 28, 2004

I've recently been able to visit a few diffrent gyms in my general area and I keep seeing the same thing over and over. This was something that I myself struggled with when I fist started. I'm talking about training I see a lot of folks that are resorting to AAS and such because their not seeing gains. Well they soon find out that they arent making the progress they want. The problem is these guys just dont know how to train. They dont know what exercises work wich muscle groups they dont do any of the basics except bench press. Also their intensity levels are for shit. The thing that bothers me the most is that they have no clue. They think they are doing every thing right and then come the excuses.

I just thought I would start a thread that gives some of the basics for training.
such as.....

Squats, deadlifts, and bench press not just BP but squats and deadlifts guys.
This is what you should base your training around. There are other mass lifts that you can add such as t-bar rows but those are the basics.

As far as intensity levels well start by not talking while training for most its just an excuse for being lazy and resting more that you should.
Try to trian harder than the last day every day you lift. Dont concetrate on the weight so much as the muscle your working. I see a lot of bad form just from guys trying to lift too heavy. This is also why you see a lot of join problems. Personally I chose heavy weight for reps of 12-15 3-5 sets with the last set maximum intesity and hopefully I'll get 6 reps with that.

There's so much more and the only reason I know this stuff is from trial and error. I had to make these mistakes to learn from them. Everyones made them at one time or another. Point is to move on and stop making them.

Everyone's seem to be wanting to learn what the latest supplement or AAS combination can do, but no ones willing to learn a little about training harder.
I think a lot of it has to do with our ego's we dont want to let anyone know that we dont know everything.

Well I'm willing to say that I also dont know everything so if anyone has something they would like to add as far as training post away.

xcelbeyond · Aug 28, 2004

Welcome

Apparently you haven't spent much time here reading posts before you posted

This is more of an advanced board. Most newbies that come onto the board are told learn how to EAT and train before taking AAS. I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion you did.

Mr.Huge · Aug 28, 2004

Tman2002 has actually been around for awhile..

xcelbeyond said:
Welcome

Apparently you haven't spent much time here reading posts before you posted

This is more of an advanced board. Most newbies that come onto the board are told learn how to EAT and train before taking AAS. I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion you did.

You're probably going to get some VERY HARSH feedback to this post

I think what he meant to say and correct me if Im wrong is people need to stick to the basics. Quit over working themselves in the gym and wonder why they are not achieving their goals. Tman knows about eating right etc. Im guessing he just wanted to throw this post out ina more meaninful way then the way it looks. However maybe Im worng and all these years I have known him from some other sites he still hasnt learned anything..lol

How are you by the way? Long time no talk...Shit don't think i have seen you around since i sold Mesomorph.net

Mr.Huge

xcelbeyond · Aug 28, 2004

And - I wasn't inferring that he tman was a newbie.

To me, it just sounded like he was saying all we do is give out information about AAS, which is not true.

Mr.Huge · Aug 28, 2004

naw i hear ya....

xcelbeyond said:
And - I wasn't inferring that he tman was a newbie.

To me, it just sounded like he was saying all we do is give out information about AAS, which is not true.

Like i said i could be wrong but from what I know of Tman he wouldnt try to come on hear talking like that. So thats why I'm assuming he just wants to see more talk about training then just a/s & hormone talk. Seems as if he's frustrated with what he seen in the gym lately from what I get out of the post. Does'nt seem to me he's directing anything towards the people on this site or the info given hear more so the people at the gyms he has been to as of lately.

I think his main intention if you reread this thread was to start a thread on the basics of training principles. He wanted others to chime in on their basic training principles etc. Yes ofcourse diet & rest would be a big part as well in which he did not mention but Xcel did

However, I just dont think he was talking about people on this site only giving out info on a/s. Once again i may be wrong. I just notice that a lot of posts on hear as of lately are either misinterpreted and turn into something it need not be thats the main reason i replied to this again. No offense to you Xcel. just some otheers i have seen here as of lately.

Mr.Huge

Tman2002 · Aug 28, 2004

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I may have come across wrong and started rambling. My point was that I've just been seeing a lot of guys that arent willing to put in the training but willing to do everything else. Just seems like a lot of guys are skipping the basics. These guys lurk and surf this board just like any other. It was more of a rant than anything. I wasnt implying that the guys here dont know what they are talking about or that this board is full of newbies. I understand that the discussions here are advanced. I know there are a lot of guys that are trying to learn about AAS and such from this board and others.

Maybe the title of the post is what threw you off. That was just what I want to say to some of these guys. Its just a bit of constuctive criticism and if you've been lifting seriously for more than 2 years than it more than likely wouldnt apply to you. I'm not sure if this clears up anything or not as for the point i was trying to make.

Tman2002 · Aug 28, 2004

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Originally Posted by xcelbeyond
And - I wasn't inferring that he tman was a newbie.

To me, it just sounded like he was saying all we do is give out information about AAS, which is not true.

Thats not the point I was trying to make. I know there is plenty of info here quality information on AAS and everything else. The guys here definatly know what they are talking about. That is one reason why I posted here. I've been lurking a lot since meso Huge. I saw you posting a few an thought I would drop one. Hows it goin? I hope things are goin better for ya. Thanks for backing me up againn I wasnt trying to call anyone out or offend.

Huge you hit the nail on the head as far as my points. Although I dont mind the AAS discussion infact I incourage it. There's just a lot of guys looking for a quick fix. Guys that have over looked the basics I just wanted to bring that to their attetion

I know that the first things that you tell these guys are to learn how to eat and train. My main part was to stress this especially the training part because a lot of what I've seen is guys that are eating great but are just half assing it in the gym. I would say that diet is more important than training but that doesnt mean you can over look the training part.

Excel I appreciate you input on this. You just misunderstood what I was trying to get across. This was just a post to on how to train properly nothing more.

massmonster32 · Aug 28, 2004

Your right about what you say in the training and shortcut stuff. You must train at a fitness gym as well. I see it everyday but have learned to just ignore the dumbazzes and wannabes and keep to myself.

Their are a few people who train hard and have gym etiquet but with the rest I just try to stay to myself. Sometimes its hard not to laugh, then sometimes I wonder if the person just really doesnt know any better but not my place. I try to get in and out with the qualtiy as I can get. MM

G.E.R.M · Aug 28, 2004

,,,

xcelbeyond said:
Welcome

Apparently you haven't spent much time here reading posts before you posted

This is more of an advanced board. Most newbies that come onto the board are told learn how to EAT and train before taking AAS. I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion you did.

i love you bro......lol

rAJJIN · Aug 28, 2004

Tman

Tmans cool lol
He been around ripped mass forever as well.

After reading it a few times and knowing the guy myself
I think it would be easy to take it the wrong way lol

Most 85% of people in the gyms in my area are just as he explains..
As far as Promuscle id say its just the opposite. Most guys here are
among the best in there area..Not to many willy lump lumps
like we all see daily in real life.

dpsquat · Aug 28, 2004

hey

then do the world a favor and go help them! it may make you feel better...

TooPowerful4u · Aug 28, 2004

dpsquat said:
then do the world a favor and go help them! it may make you feel better...

lol i cant believe im laughin at something u wrote! Thats a lot of people to help.

xcel- were supposed to worry about eating and training BEFORE AAS? Damnit knew i was doin sumthin wrong lol.

Maverick · Aug 28, 2004

Well in my opinon I tend to agree that most people do give up to easliy to resort to AAS. But that is the general population and not meant to be referred to the people here. I think tman was just making a general observation that I sometimes tend to agree with. Especially when it comes to the frat boy college paqrty type. You know the guy who drinks beer and does weed and drugs all through the winter and then shows up for a month prior to spring break to get into shape, all the while he is in the gym he is constantly flexing whatever small muscle he has. Those types.

Maverick