John Jewett - what do you like to know?

[madg]

injection volume

Yep but i would use eq instead mast

But that just me

 

[dimethyl11]

Yep but i would use eq instead mast

But that just me

Yep me too - using a little eq and test right now on my cut. Love how EQ controls my E2

 

[hawkmoon]

All the Masteron v Primobolan videos just got old long for me years ago and and haven't watched.

But are the "pros" or self-styled experts still saying Masteron builds as much muscle as Deca or Tren, "because all steroids accrete tissue as effectively." Actully I'm not laughing at the idiocy of the idea, more like in how it turned out now a few years later when you assess specific two, what is the cencensus?

I've said it so many times but it's so impressive to me, how VB changed everything most "profiles" are doing the exact same cycle builds. This is not the endrorsemet of the "man."

Any new talents with something knew to shew on wrt bodybuilding?

Maybe I'm an old stick in the mud, but the claims for Primo and Mast putting on as much tissue as Deca are hard for me to believe. I accept that that may be personal bias.

And no, for those with their finger hovering above the keys, Deca does not just blow you up with water - your diet does.
All AAS can cause water retention through effects on the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), with Dianabol perhaps having outstanding effect.

 

[KillerStack]

Maybe I'm an old stick in the mud, but the claims for Primo and Mast putting on as much tissue as Deca are hard for me to believe. I accept that that may be personal bias.

And no, for those with their finger hovering above the keys, Deca does not just blow you up with water - your diet does.
All AAS can cause water retention through effects on the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), with Dianabol perhaps having outstanding effect.

I'm open to the possibility that in the end, after extra water is lost, the amount of tissue gained from mast or primo look very similar to gains from deca, eq or even tren (oh god lol). If they all were somehow used in each one's optimal dosage, but that is probably impossible to do a fair comparison of.

But I'm also open to there being large differences too LOL

I don't know what you say but when people ask which steroid to run, I just say "pick one" and go with it and see for yourself. Of course there's issues if there's no teest or whatever, but the main thing is to just "take them." Patrick Arnold said you don't need a second steroids, they all compete with each other anyway, just pick one and max it out. Of course he must have had caveats but he had a point in his opinion.

 

[luki7788]

Maybe I'm an old stick in the mud, but the claims for Primo and Mast putting on as much tissue as Deca are hard for me to believe. I accept that that may be personal bias.

And no, for those with their finger hovering above the keys, Deca does not just blow you up with water - your diet does.
All AAS can cause water retention through effects on the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), with Dianabol perhaps having outstanding effect.

I'm open to the possibility that in the end, after extra water is lost, the amount of tissue gained from mast or primo look very similar to gains from deca, eq or even tren (oh god lol). If they all were somehow used in each one's optimal dosage, but that is probably impossible to do a fair comparison of.

But I'm also open to there being large differences too LOL

I don't know what you say but when people ask which steroid to run, I just say "pick one" and go with it and see for yourself. Of course there's issues if there's no teest or whatever, but the main thing is to just "take them." Patrick Arnold said you don't need a second steroids, they all compete with each other anyway, just pick one and max it out. Of course he must have had caveats but he had a point in his opinion.

honestly from the perspective of time I don't see the difference in which I add tissue if the drugs are high enough - to make it easier to understand I'll give you an example

2g test, 1g deca, 150mg anadrol day

second

1.5g test, 1g EQ, 500mg dhb, 500mg tren

Both cycles after about 4g I weighed similarly about 290lbs but on the first I was more watery but saliva like hell and on the second I had much better vascularization and less water under the skin and more in the muscles but I was weaker.
This shows to some extent that if the number of mg is similar it will allow us to maintain a similar amount of muscle mass and the only things that will differ are aspects such as strength (due to e.g. neurological effect of orals) or distribution of water retention. For this reason I believe that during the offseason I will choose test+one compound that agrees with you and go with them as high as you can until you gain muscle mass and do not have excessive side effects. During prep it is a different animal and to get the right look use a cocktail of compounds

 

[hawkmoon]

Good points both @KillerStack at @luki7788
Thought I do use other compounds, I find Test plus Deca give me the best results for the least dosage, which matters to me.
Its anecdotal, but I have never held water on nandrolone, not once since my first dose in 1989. With mast, primmo, or EQ I need to use much more and that's not my methodology.

 

[aHarness]

honestly from the perspective of time I don't see the difference in which I add tissue if the drugs are high enough - to make it easier to understand I'll give you an example

2g test, 1g deca, 150mg anadrol day

second

1.5g test, 1g EQ, 500mg dhb, 500mg tren

Both cycles after about 4g I weighed similarly about 290lbs but on the first I was more watery but saliva like hell and on the second I had much better vascularization and less water under the skin and more in the muscles but I was weaker.
This shows to some extent that if the number of mg is similar it will allow us to maintain a similar amount of muscle mass and the only things that will differ are aspects such as strength (due to e.g. neurological effect of orals) or distribution of water retention. For this reason I believe that during the offseason I will choose test+one compound that agrees with you and go with them as high as you can until you gain muscle mass and do not have excessive side effects. During prep it is a different animal and to get the right look use a cocktail of compounds

Additionally, I believe in the off-season there is a benefit to some level of water for training performance.

 

[TeaMan]

Here’s the podcast guys

 

[dimethyl11]

great episode @TeaMan

 

[danieltx]

Good points both @KillerStack at @luki7788
Thought I do use other compounds, I find Test plus Deca give me the best results for the least dosage, which matters to me.
Its anecdotal, but I have never held water on nandrolone, not once since my first dose in 1989. With mast, primmo, or EQ I need to use much more and that's not my methodology.

My experience is the same. I've always used test and deca as my base for growing periods and as everyone's seen from my pictures I never blow up with water. Whether I use deca or NPP I only get intramuscular water retention.

This year I tried test with EQ as my base and a small amount of deca for joint support and the results weren't quite as good as going with test and higher deca in the past. I also used a much higher dose of EQ than I would have of deca but still didn't get the same results.

 

[Pizza15]

honestly from the perspective of time I don't see the difference in which I add tissue if the drugs are high enough - to make it easier to understand I'll give you an example

2g test, 1g deca, 150mg anadrol day

second

1.5g test, 1g EQ, 500mg dhb, 500mg tren

Both cycles after about 4g I weighed similarly about 290lbs but on the first I was more watery but saliva like hell and on the second I had much better vascularization and less water under the skin and more in the muscles but I was weaker.
This shows to some extent that if the number of mg is similar it will allow us to maintain a similar amount of muscle mass and the only things that will differ are aspects such as strength (due to e.g. neurological effect of orals) or distribution of water retention. For this reason I believe that during the offseason I will choose test+one compound that agrees with you and go with them as high as you can until you gain muscle mass and do not have excessive side effects. During prep it is a different animal and to get the right look use a cocktail of compounds

So in the end, just the total mg are important to reach a certain size goal.
But you always said that since i know this forum ^^

 

[KingOfSushi]

My experience is the same. I've always used test and deca as my base for growing periods and as everyone's seen from my pictures I never blow up with water. Whether I use deca or NPP I only get intramuscular water retention.

This year I tried test with EQ as my base and a small amount of deca for joint support and the results weren't quite as good as going with test and higher deca in the past. I also used a much higher dose of EQ than I would have of deca but still didn't get the same results.

Curious, did you keep the test dose the same?

Also, interestingly enough for me I’m opposite. Off season I’ve found EQ to provide such a good benefit to my training. I can handle more volume and even rest shorter and recover. However, part of my preference may be because with nandralone I never seemed to get that joint/water benefits others get. Goes to show how different we all react.

 

[KillerStack]

honestly from the perspective of time I don't see the difference in which I add tissue if the drugs are high enough - to make it easier to understand I'll give you an example

2g test, 1g deca, 150mg anadrol day

second

1.5g test, 1g EQ, 500mg dhb, 500mg tren

Both cycles after about 4g I weighed similarly about 290lbs but on the first I was more watery but saliva like hell and on the second I had much better vascularization and less water under the skin and more in the muscles but I was weaker.
This shows to some extent that if the number of mg is similar it will allow us to maintain a similar amount of muscle mass and the only things that will differ are aspects such as strength (due to e.g. neurological effect of orals) or distribution of water retention. For this reason I believe that during the offseason I will choose test+one compound that agrees with you and go with them as high as you can until you gain muscle mass and do not have excessive side effects. During prep it is a different animal and to get the right look use a cocktail of compounds

Though you still think Masteron is a bad choice for off-season to build muscle, even if high dosed?

Regarding compounds for a finished look, that Paul guy, the 50 year old who I forgot the name of, said he added Winstrol to his prep... only 4 days out, 200mg! Other influencers have said to add Superdrol at the end for 3-5 days only lol.
I think Paul said the cosmetic effect was real quick from the Winstrol and even less days may be required. I don't know about that.

BTW I think Anadrol is great for prep lol. Like 6-8 weeks out add it and ride it until the end, but then you hear of guys who use it for like 3 days with the carb load to fill out, whereas others drop it a few days out. Different ideas, hard to evaluate which is "better," typically so many compounds in a stack so hard to know what is doing what, especially when you at the same time are depleting, loading, restricting water or using diuretics, manipulating sodium intake and so on. One pro said every pro the night before is busy shooting as much Winstrol as possible lol. It was Kamali that said it, perhaps it was a Chad thing back then.

 

[luki7788]

Though you still think Masteron is a bad choice for off-season to build muscle, even if high dosed?

Regarding compounds for a finished look, that Paul guy, the 50 year old who I forgot the name of, said he added Winstrol to his prep... only 4 days out, 200mg! Other influencers have said to add Superdrol at the end for 3-5 days only lol.
I think Paul said the cosmetic effect was real quick from the Winstrol and even less days may be required. I don't know about that.

BTW I think Anadrol is great for prep lol. Like 6-8 weeks out add it and ride it until the end, but then you hear of guys who use it for like 3 days with the carb load to fill out, whereas others drop it a few days out. Different ideas, hard to evaluate which is "better," typically so many compounds in a stack so hard to know what is doing what, especially when you at the same time are depleting, loading, restricting water or using diuretics, manipulating sodium intake and so on. One pro said every pro the night before is busy shooting as much Winstrol as possible lol. It was Kamali that said it, perhaps it was a Chad thing back then.

Yes - for me masteron would be the last drug I would use during the mass building period. As for vinstrol, the changes are very fast but not as Paul describes - in general, in my opinion it exaggerates many things.

to show its maximum potential, in my opinion winstrol needs at least 4 weeks and preferably 5-6

 

[astrosfan123]

.....He's posted several clients, and it's primary MG load for his pushes up. I've attached four screenshots from another forum, where John posted his clients' changes.


This becomes an injection volume thing.

I clicked those pics and the cycles look interesting, it would be interesting to know how different if any they would look using a higher test (that needs a small ai) + deca/npp or eq. This new way of low test + high anabolic seems interesting but i havent done it to that extent at all.
im still having a hard time believing that using so much test that you need an ai is any worse health wise than driving up mast or primo to 1.5g lol
Personally high primo jacks my lipids up more than test + ai + npp by an absolute landslide.

 

[aHarness]

im still having a hard time believing that using so much test that you need an ai is any worse health wise than driving up mast or primo to 1.5g lol

I mean I think it’s pretty objectively safe to say it’s not unless it’s driving up BP more than mast/primo do for an individual.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

I mean I think it’s pretty objectively safe to say it’s not unless it’s driving up BP more than mast/primo do for an individual.

I had my best blood test come back during the summer on…

Per week
210mg test cyp
1400mg mast e
525mg primo e
350mg winstrol (ran this 6’ish weeks)
No AI

I’d been running this way for several months. The doses varied, but test was always below 500 and primo/mast combined were above 1500. At one point primo was 1g and the rest of the anabolic load was Mast.



E2 was 15
HDL was 37 (usually in the single digits or teens while hard cutting)
LDL was 129 (usually around 90 on TRT)
Hematocrit 52
Hemoglobin 17

It basically looked like I was in TRT bloodwork/health wise.

 

[luki7788]

I had my best blood test come back during the summer on…

Per week
210mg test cyp
1400mg mast e
525mg primo e
350mg winstrol (ran this 6’ish weeks)
No AI

I’d been running this way for several months. The doses varied, but test was always below 500 and primo/mast combined were above 1500. At one point primo was 1g and the rest of the anabolic load was Mast.



E2 was 15
HDL was 37 (usually in the single digits or teens while hard cutting)
LDL was 129 (usually around 90 on TRT)
Hematocrit 52
Hemoglobin 17

It basically looked like I was in TRT bloodwork/health wise.

Did you experience "excessive flatness" on such a high dose of DHT in combination with such a low test?

 

[d4ve]

I had my best blood test come back during the summer on…

Per week
210mg test cyp
1400mg mast e
525mg primo e
350mg winstrol (ran this 6’ish weeks)
No AI

I’d been running this way for several months. The doses varied, but test was always below 500 and primo/mast combined were above 1500. At one point primo was 1g and the rest of the anabolic load was Mast.



E2 was 15
HDL was 37 (usually in the single digits or teens while hard cutting)
LDL was 129 (usually around 90 on TRT)
Hematocrit 52
Hemoglobin 17

It basically looked like I was in TRT bloodwork/health wise.

Those levels are fantastic - Were you / are you taking a lot of supps or meds for lipids and HCT?

 

[M@NU]

I had my best blood test come back during the summer on…

Per week
210mg test cyp
1400mg mast e
525mg primo e
350mg winstrol (ran this 6’ish weeks)
No AI

I’d been running this way for several months. The doses varied, but test was always below 500 and primo/mast combined were above 1500. At one point primo was 1g and the rest of the anabolic load was Mast.



E2 was 15
HDL was 37 (usually in the single digits or teens while hard cutting)
LDL was 129 (usually around 90 on TRT)
Hematocrit 52
Hemoglobin 17

It basically looked like I was in TRT bloodwork/health wise.

was the bloodwork at the end of the 6 weeks of winstrol?
because for me winstrol hits my hdl hard as hell