How does John Jewett stay lean year-round?

[d4ve]

There are people putting on 10 lbs a year at ~10% bf. Not staying in stage condition. But not fat. You've seen Justin do it with Paul Barnett and Ben Pollack. Justin's younger guy that just lost to Sam sulek, Cole Albersworth has done it the past 4 years in a row.

If you want to put the absolute most muscle on in the shortest period of time, you might need to get softer than you desire. But unfortunately, it's usually not eating junk. If so powerlifters and strongman would like bodybuilders. How much clean food can you eat before you're just sick of the whole thing?

There are guys who do it.

It can be done. But there's no secret. It's living like you're on prep, year-round. Cardio. Training. No missed meals. No binging. Why don't most people do it? Because it's fucking hard.

Yes, it requires drugs. I don't believe it requires a gram of tren. If you think a gram of tren isn't any more risky than a gram of testosterone, you can try it. The reason that competitors pick less harsh compounds in the off-season is so that they can push the dose with fewer side effects.

The first thing to do though, is get in shape. It's not a mini-cut. Get in stage shape. All the rebound strategy conversation is months away. If you're 15% bodyfat, it might take 24 weeks. But the fat has to come off. Good luck.

Cole's metabolism is ridiculous, lol. I haven't talked to him much about PEDs, but I don't think he does anything crazy. But his calories off-season got just stupidly high, and he was still very lean.

But this is another point to consider. Not everybody stays equally lean, even with a great plan. Some people just have better genetics for it, which is why you'll sometimes hear athletes and their coaches talk about just needing to get a bit fluffier to really make progress.

There's also bodyfat distribution differences, which can make a huge difference in appearance. Cole looked lean AF in the off-season, as mentioned, but he still had to pull down fairly far (I think) to get stage ready. Not a huge difference from the amount I have to pull off, yet his off-season body comp looks a lot better than mine.

 

[bbxtreme]

I’m prepping for my first competition and my first rebound from said competition so I only have so many questions with regards to this as I’m doing it by myself without a coach.

Why in the world do you insist so hard on “learning things on your own”. A good coach and this board can save you 5-10 years of learning and mistakes in this sport man.

I’m going to answer your question head on, but doubt it will satisfy you still.

I believe every serious bodybuilder will need one full off season where they put on a lot more weight than they would like to really build their foundation.

Once they have done that I don’t believe they should ever need or have to do it again. At that point I’d never go 20-25lb over stage weight.

The secret to both ways though is simple- treat your off season as a prep. This sport is won in the off season as that’s when you progress. That’s where 99% get it wrong.

 

[burgundy]

Why in the world do you insist so hard on “learning things on your own”. A good coach and this board can save you 5-10 years of learning and mistakes in this sport man.

Money and being opinionated. If I had all the money in the world I'd probably hire Milos or Bleu Taylor. Hiring Luki was a blessing not only because he's a good coach, but because he massively undercharges.

As for the opinionated, I'm open to suggestion, but the longer I'm in the sport the more I find there ways to do things "right" and "wrong" and I want to eat the foods I find best, exercises I like most, drugs I want to use, etc.

Beyond that, yes I agree -- I still have much to learn.

I believe every serious bodybuilder will need one full off season where they put on a lot more weight than they would like to really build their foundation.

I'll have to figure it out as the time comes. I think by the end of my cut I'll be around 210lbs on stage, and then I might try to bulk up to 255-260lbs as lean as possible over however many months, hold it to maintain, and then cut back down. My bad for all the ruckus. Bulking and cutting is easy enough I understand that part, it's namely the "bulking to what extent and at what pace to not get fat" that I was trying to get more knowledge on. I figured adding low-dose tren and then gh at 10iu or so + very small surplus would be the proper way to rebound and not become a fat 12%+ bastard during it. But obviously again, I don't fully know as I've never taken myself through it before

 

[Flex500]

So...I'll be the outlier commentor and say if OP is training hard and is genuinely 235 at 5'9" and a LEGIT 15% that is pretty lean. You can win most 'average' to lower tier regional bbing shows at 7-9%. I have large trophy case full of wins with a legit bodyfat of ~8% at 220 pounds. Now we all hold fat differently I have feathering in my triceps and quads at 12% bf so I mean...there's that.

But if you are a legit 235 at that heigh and absolutely no more than 15% you are on the "upper end" of where I'd want to be and all you'd literally have to do is control your food a little more and you can keep to 10-12% which again would be big and lean.

This picture is me at 260lbs and 5’8”. I am probably 20% bf…maybe more. I had abs and veins all over my body. My point is if you get literally slightly bigger and stay slightly leaner you will have the look you want. I was big enough that 20% bf looked somewhat lean and that was WAY too fat. After that I never got over 12-15% in the offseason.

Get a little bigger, keep your diet a little tighter and you will be where you want. The offseason I got this fat I put on less stage weight, although I was deeper into my bodybuilding “career” at that point

 

[bbxtreme]

Money and being opinionated. If I had all the money in the world I'd probably hire Milos or Bleu Taylor. Hiring Luki was a blessing not only because he's a good coach, but because he massively undercharges.

As for the opinionated, I'm open to suggestion, but the longer I'm in the sport the more I find there ways to do things "right" and "wrong" and I want to eat the foods I find best, exercises I like most, drugs I want to use, etc.

Beyond that, yes I agree -- I still have much to learn.


I'll have to figure it out as the time comes. I think by the end of my cut I'll be around 210lbs on stage, and then I might try to bulk up to 255-260lbs as lean as possible over however many months, hold it to maintain, and then cut back down. My bad for all the ruckus. Bulking and cutting is easy enough I understand that part, it's namely the "bulking to what extent and at what pace to not get fat" that I was trying to get more knowledge on. I figured adding low-dose tren and then gh at 10iu or so + very small surplus would be the proper way to rebound and not become a fat 12%+ bastard during it. But obviously again, I don't fully know as I've never taken myself through it before

I have worked with Milos and most top coaches. There’s nothing one knows that the other doesn’t. It comes down to the athlete and approach. The biggest difference is food and insulin usage.

The equation is simple- how far can you push things without compromising your health or getting too fat.

If you rush into force feeding and high insulin with low fat then you will blow your lines and waist. You also won’t have as much dense muscle maturity which will show.

If you rush into adding too much fat too quickly you will tank insulin sensitivity, crush your GI and be loaded with inflammation.

Pushing PED’s hard in a progressive phase- tren, ment and orals will be a sure way to crash your health as you’re already force feeding and not as healthy as you could be.

I would really encourage you to read my insulin and AMA thread on here as I have covered almost every approach and have learned the hard/expensive way. As well Dr. Scott Stevenson on here did a great post and video on anabolics and why tren is NOT the ideal anabolic for a growth phase.

Trust me, save your money and learn here from all of us who have spent more than a decade sharing our experiences and mistakes. Or don’t, but you’ll just waste money and delay progress.

 

[MackCoach]

Dave Polumbo made a comment one time stating that once you achieve a certain level you don’t really get “fat” in the off season you just get bigger, hold more water, carbs etc but you don’t really get legitimately “fat”.

I’d get “sloppy fat” when I was younger but in my 40’s and 50’s I am lean year round without much extra effort outside of week to week training with some cardio

 

[maxrep24]

Hires a coach, tells the coach he wants to raise his protein and lower the carbs

 

[EFShadow]

Id imagine Paul and Justin to be very similar seeing as (from what I can gather) Paul pretty much follows Justin’s blueprint for it all besides training perhaps

As a fellow Brit how did you find working with Dan?

Paul is my coach and he and Justin are very much on the same wavelength when it comes to diet and supplements and gear.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Paul is my coach and he and Justin are very much on the same wavelength when it comes to diet and supplements and gear.

Oh thaaats why you were all butt hurt when I mentioned that Paul took everything from Justin and doesn’t give him more credit LOL

 

[EFShadow]

Oh thaaats why you were all butt hurt when I mentioned that Paul took everything from Justin and doesn’t give him more credit

That was disclosed before you made your first post on that topic, but you missed it during your temper tantrum.

 

[EdgeCrusher1982]

No one is gaining 10lbs a year doing this.
You've used John as an example. John only gained 10lbs because he had been starving himself for years to stay in the 212, holding back his drugs/GH to make that weight. His weight gain was basically just letting the guard rail off. So, poor example.

I also feel like this is going to be a bare bones answer and you seem to be looking for a magic pill or secret sauce.
The trick....don't get fat. That's it. It's that simple. Your real question is how can I maintain decent leanness year round?
That's the question. Not one single influencer or BBer is making any significant tissue gain doing this. This is a pretty simple discussion.
You want to put on the most tissue possible? There is a decent likelihood you might have to have a couple offseasons of hard pushing.
Or do you want to put on a couple solid pounds here and there. Then, stay lean.
Again, there is no magic formula.

I will say this. Each year you live a realll BBer lifestyle, everything gets easier. The work, the ability to grow, the ability to stay, your look, etc.
Guys, who might be like yourself, who are very new to competing are wanting the size, the look, the everything NOW. Why can't i be big AND lean now? It doesnt work that way. The first couple rebounds/offseasons you have, you wont even LOOK LIKE A BBer lol you'll look like a football player. And with every new season under your belt, every prep, every rebound...the look gets better. The bodyfat distribution gets better. Everything. I am using this as an example to not look at some IFBB pro and say, "wtf, why can't i do that?" Well, because he's been doing this shit for a decade and you havent.

Should just copy/paste this onto every forum/insta/Reddit/whatever anytime anyone ever asked this same line of questions

 

[burgundy]

Hires a coach, tells the coach he wants to raise his protein and lower the carbs

400g > 320g
Mass monsters > Better waistlines
Milos Sarcev Protein Quantities > Whatever Nick Walker Is Doing Now
Take Advantage Of Increased Protein Synthesis By Eating More > Use More Insulin As A Result Of Consuming More Carbs

This is why I have to coach myself

 

[Josefein421]

400g > 320g
Mass monsters > Better waistlines
Milos Sarcev Protein Quantities > Whatever Nick Walker Is Doing Now
Take Advantage Of Increased Protein Synthesis By Eating More > Use More Insulin As A Result Of Consuming More Carbs

This is why I have to coach myself

I was thinking you kinda got some harsh treatment in this thread. You asked a simple question but it had good intentions and you just didn’t know. Nbd.

But you just keep going now after great advice from some really great guys here and then post this dumbness. You talk about Milo’s (and say you’d take him as a coach as if he takes on just anyone) but then are against insulin use which is Milos’s calling card.

And Nick is a cyborg that eats the same whole food meals day after day and never misses a detail. He might have his social issues but he is as committed a bodybuilder as there is. Perhaps instead of knocking “whatever Nick Walker is doing now” you should aspire to be more like him.

 

[burgundy]

I was thinking you kinda got some harsh treatment in this thread. You asked a simple question but it had good intentions and you just didn’t know. Nbd.

But you just keep going now after great advice from some really great guys here and then post this dumbness. You talk about Milo’s (and say you’d take him as a coach as if he takes on just anyone) but then are against insulin use which is Milos’s calling card.

And Nick is a cyborg that eats the same whole food meals day after day and never misses a detail. He might have his social issues but he is as committed a bodybuilder as there is. Perhaps instead of knocking “whatever Nick Walker is doing now” you should aspire to be more like him.

I’m not against insulin use. I take humalog and lantus.

Nick Walker is notoriously a low protein advocate now due to blowing out his waist.

So I think you misunderstood.

All 4 of those are me advocating for higher protein instead of driving carbs up to use even more insulin. Of the two, as each are both 4 calories, I’d rather raise protein in most cases.

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I appreciate the input of “you can’t stay super lean and make large muscle gains year-by-year. You have to either really push up your weight or stay lean and only gain a little.” That was the good advice.

However the “full retard” and “STUPID AS FUCK” and “want to raise protein and lower carbs” are talking shit and I’ll talk smack back I don’t give a damn who you are

 

[luki7788]

400g > 320g
Mass monsters > Better waistlines
Milos Sarcev Protein Quantities > Whatever Nick Walker Is Doing Now
Take Advantage Of Increased Protein Synthesis By Eating More > Use More Insulin As A Result Of Consuming More Carbs

This is why I have to coach myself

I’m not against insulin use. I take humalog and lantus.

Nick Walker is notoriously a low protein advocate now due to blowing out his waist.

So I think you misunderstood.

All 4 of those are me advocating for higher protein instead of driving carbs up to use even more insulin. Of the two, as each are both 4 calories, I’d rather raise protein in most cases.

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I appreciate the input of “you can’t stay super lean and make large muscle gains year-by-year. You have to either really push up your weight or stay lean and only gain a little.” That was the good advice.

However the “full retard” and “STUPID AS FUCK” and “want to raise protein and lower carbs” are talking shit and I’ll talk smack back I don’t give a damn who you are

No hate but you are really dumb manthat’s why I don’t want work with you anymore

 

[bbxtreme]

No hate but you are really dumb manthat’s why I don’t want work with you anymore

Being young and dumb > listening to those older and wiser than you.

 

[luki7788]

Being young and dumb > listening to those older and wiser than you.

yes it's true - you can't convince some people that they are doing wrong until they hit a wall - here we have a perfect example of such a guy

 

[maxrep24]

400g > 320g
Mass monsters > Better waistlines
Milos Sarcev Protein Quantities > Whatever Nick Walker Is Doing Now
Take Advantage Of Increased Protein Synthesis By Eating More > Use More Insulin As A Result Of Consuming More Carbs

This is why I have to coach myself

You hired a coach and then told the coach what to do

 

[Elvia1023]

You come across like you have an answer and different thought to every post directed towards you. Even when you agree with something there is likely a voice in your head talking about an alternative approach that might be a little better. You probably have a self-sabotaging personality trait and it affects numerous areas of your life. I can tell no matter what plan you were given you wouldn't be able to follow it over the long term. You really need to keep things very simple and go back to your old emails and posts on this thread and read them over and over and execute the common sense plan that most people have given you. Although before you do any of that you need to get much leaner. If you really want to gain as much quality muscle as possible then you need to start the process at a very lean starting point.

I do agree with Josefain421's post though. The longer the thread went on the more that come out but you didn't start off looking bad and I agreed with some of your points. Guys are full of shit sometimes and they lie about their usage. It's not even a case of looking back and regretting and recommending different it's just bullshitting. The guys in this thread have been different though and they are giving you sound advice going on experience. The answer isn't different drugs but just hard work and consistency. Although I do get your thinking and I don't see anything wrong with a small dose of tren in the off season for assisting results. I am talking 200mg per week and obviously having breaks if your offseason goes on over a long period. That lower dose can greatly assist your overall look (muscle hardness and leanness etc) whilst growing, improve strength, give a mental edge and isn't very toxic as long as dose/duration are controlled.

 

[burgundy]

I do agree with Josefain421's post though. The longer the thread went on the more that come out but you didn't start off looking bad and I agreed with some of your points. Guys are full of shit sometimes and they lie about their usage. It's not even a case of looking back and regretting and recommending different it's just bullshitting. The guys in this thread have been different though and they are giving you sound advice going on experience. The answer isn't different drugs but just hard work and consistency. Although I do get your thinking and I don't see anything wrong with a small dose of tren in the off season for assisting results. I am talking 200mg per week and obviously having breaks if your offseason goes on over a long period. That lower dose can greatly assist your overall look (muscle hardness and leanness etc) whilst growing, improve strength, give a mental edge and isn't very toxic as long as dose/duration are controlled.

It's as simple as being treated with respect. I wont be rude until others do first.

Disagreement is not disrespect. I had this conversation with @bbxtreme over DM. His immediate response to my disagreement with him was to call me arrogant and to pose himself as wiser.

All productive conversation ends there.

You hired a coach and then told the coach what to do

I didn't tell the coach what to do. I disagreed with him. Which is why I no longer work with said coach.

The falling out was specifically over me asking to switch my white rice to potatoes and he said "either you do what I recommend or we end our cooperation"

No hate but you are really dumb manthat’s why I don’t want work with you anymore

If you want to be petty, I actually have the emails proving I broke off cooperation with you; not the other way around. Besides, you have done plenty of dumb things the whole of your bodybuilding career, as have most on this forum. Maybe I'll learn when I'm older.

Being young and dumb > listening to those older and wiser than you.

Sincerely, the only useful information I've seen you contribute to this forum has been on the topic of histamine and tren. The protocols of previous coaches regarding insulin was also intriguing. Beyond that, I have no clue who you are, and I kindly disagree with most of your opinions. You come here acting as if your words are gospel and everything you say is to be taken as fact.

Here's 2 of your main opinions I disagree with, I could think up more but meh:
1. 10k steps is healthy, 15-20k a day is retarded for a bodybuilder and counterproductive towards recovery, just eat less
2. Tren != bad on offseason. It's more nuanced than that. What is your blood pressure? Do you have LVH?