How does John Jewett stay lean year-round?

[burgundy]

Id imagine Paul and Justin to be very similar seeing as (from what I can gather) Paul pretty much follows Justin’s blueprint for it all besides training perhaps

As a fellow Brit how did you find working with Dan?

It was actually back when he was still just coming up. So he may have changed his methodology since then. He wasn’t bad but I don’t think he fit me. Felt like I was underdosed. Only had me on 400mg and the workout plan was unnecessarily over complicated. I was only with him for about 6 months. Basic chicken and rice and pineapple plan really. Don’t know much else to say about it

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I actually think it’s funny. A lot of you are great bodybuilders no doubt. But let’s point fingers. Tell me Luki didn’t run tren during his off-seasons for most of his bodybuilding career, Dominick didn’t get up to 290 without a proper CPAP, and then I don’t even know who you are but I’m sure you’re not perfect.

This entire sport is reckless and I’m falling forward. If you want to diss me so be it.

And oh “we’re trying to prevent you from making the same mistakes we did”

Was it a mistake? Well then I need to experience it myself to know better.

This whole undercurrent of “Nuh uh you don’t need that” while blasting 2g+ of other gear is comical

I mean the CPAP was not a "bad" thing? lol

Anyways, when I say things, I usually speak from experience...and I made many mistakes of course. Im glad I did so I can tell others not to do the same so they dont waste their time, money or health.

 

[pimpman]

That’s the whole idea about hiring a coach. Is to do and take what he tells you. If you want to interrupt the coaching then it’s never going to work.I'm sure if he see’s that something is not working then he will change it.

 

[bbxtreme]

I mean the CPAP was not a "bad" thing? lol

Anyways, when I say things, I usually speak from experience...and I made many mistakes of course. Im glad I did so I can tell others not to do the same so they dont waste their time, money or health.

His one comment here is all I needed to read:

“Was it a mistake? Well then I need to experience it myself to know better.”

No client with that mindset is coachable.

 

[burgundy]

I mean the CPAP was not a "bad" thing? lol

Anyways, when I say things, I usually speak from experience...and I made many mistakes of course. Im glad I did so I can tell others not to do the same so they dont waste their time, money or health.

I have no hate for you either Dom.

I just don’t agree with this mantra of “don’t run tren during the off-season as you don’t need to and it’s unhealthy”

This entire sport is unhealthy, and sure while you can mitigate risks, I think it’s individual like anything.

What is my RHR, do I have LVH, etc.

It was moreso a critique of the “better than thou” or “do as I say not as I do”

I used you as an example. I probably shouldn’t have. No hate. Genuinely my bad

 

[burgundy]

That’s the whole idea about hiring a coach. Is to do and take what he tells you. If you want to interrupt the coaching then it’s never going to work.I'm sure if he see’s that something is not working then he will change it.

Okay there’s still some nuance here.

Can I switch my white rice to potatoes? Can I switch to olive oil I don’t like avocado? Can we lower my carbs and raise my protein?

Not everything needs to be a yes, but nothing was a yes

 

[burgundy]

I don’t want to talk shit about Luki either he’s a damn quality coach and his clientele proves that

 

[pimpman]

What specifically did he not agree with ?

The guy answered that himself bro

 

[my_way]

The guy answered that himself bro

Who are you? Jk don’t care

 

[KingOfSushi]

Why 7 to 10? What if you gain 2? Or 15 ?

You dont get fat overnight. You should be able to tell if u need to pull some food back

This. OP you’re way overthinking it. Not getting fat is as simple as pulling back food if you’re getting too soft.

 

[need4tren]

John has changed his body set point by staying lean for so long last year. But he’s also set up for perfect success, dude works so hard with diet and training day in and day out. Take a good amount of gear and gh and thyroid sups (he is very honesty with what he takes on his forum) and lives a full time bodybuilding lifestyle. He’s just not laying around all day like some guys are and he moves more and doesn’t cheat on his diet

He’s the perfect example what to do/be

 

[luki7788]

Okay there’s still some nuance here.

Can I switch my white rice to potatoes? Can I switch to olive oil I don’t like avocado? Can we lower my carbs and raise my protein?

Not everything needs to be a yes, but nothing was a yes

man you forgot that at the beginning you got a diet plan based on macro but you couldn't calculate the macronutrients yourself so you insisted on a fixed meal plan that's the first thing lol

the second thing you wanted to eat junk food like a bitch depriving your diet of variety and various vitamins and minerals which is fucking bad so it's logical that I didn't allow it

the third thing you didn't eat even a bit of ketchup or mustard because you regretted spending money on it (by the way you literally wrote to me every week that you don't have money lol instead of being a man and getting down to earning money) but when you made a cheat meal you became obsessed and ate everything that was in the fridge wondering why you have high sugar and catch fat lol

so I think that's it on the subject

 

[Spiro]

John himself recommends being about 12-15% in the offseason, as for most people that is the range where you're best able to put on muscle with minimal fat. Staying too lean will limit your muscle growth for most people. From what I've heard from him, he keeps steps over 10k per day, and keeps a good amount of cardio in, both HIIT and steady state. GH yes, gear is highest in offseason. Not tren, not T3/T4.

The other thing you might be seeing is people just posting content from when they're leaner. Take a ton of pics and videos while you look good, and save them for the offseason.

He takes T3/T4 year round as HRT, you have video on his chanell.

 

[burgundy]

No one is gaining 10lbs a year doing this.

It would be quite another thing if you had told us that you had spent several offseasons putting on tissue but had pushed your body fat too high for those seasons. And now, you want a change. How can i still make those gains while staying somewhat leaner....but no.

I still want to incite a discussion on this topic a little bit.

The Dante Trudel method of "pay your dues and get fatter now" can absolutely pack some size on your frame. I make no argument against that. It works.

However, the problem with such an approach, and I mean no disrespect to anyone that does it -- is that they don't look like bodybuilders 95% of the year. They don't look athletic. They don't look good. They're large but they're fat. And sure, you can say "oh they only do that for a few years and then they stop once they have the size" but I don't believe that either. It's an entire approach to building size that requires eating far beyond what looks good the majority of the year.

All I'm trying to ask is -- what is the method to still gain as much muscle as possible without becoming a fat blob? Maybe the answer really is "just don't get fat"

And you're probably right. Nobody is gaining 10lbs of muscle weight a year staying in the 4-10% range going from contest-prep-rebound-contest-prep-rebound but surely some OK progress can be made year-by-year (does 5lbs a year sound more realistic?)

There's very few examples I can point to that did this the whole of their career. The only one that currently comes to mind is Milos Sarcev, starting his competitive career as a LHW and finishing it as a SHW. I think he also keeps his competitors in very lean shape year-round while adding size if I'm not mistaken

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I still want to incite a discussion on this topic a little bit.

The Dante Trudel method of "pay your dues and get fatter now" can absolutely pack some size on your frame. I make no argument against that. It works.

However, the problem with such an approach, and I mean no disrespect to anyone that does it -- is that they don't look like bodybuilders 95% of the year. They don't look athletic. They don't look good. They're large but they're fat. And sure, you can say "oh they only do that for a few years and then they stop once they have the size" but I don't believe that either. It's an entire approach to building size that requires eating far beyond what looks good the majority of the year.

All I'm trying to ask is -- what is the method to still gain as much muscle as possible without becoming a fat blob? Maybe the answer really is "just don't get fat"

And you're probably right. Nobody is gaining 10lbs of muscle weight a year staying in the 4-10% range going from contest-prep-rebound-contest-prep-rebound but surely some OK progress can be made year-by-year (does 5lbs a year sound more realistic?)

There's very few examples I can point to that did this the whole of their career. The only one that currently comes to mind is Milos Sarcev, starting his competitive career as a LHW and finishing it as a SHW. I think he also keeps his competitors in very lean shape year-round while adding size if I'm not mistaken

This is the last time i'm going to chime in on this thread as its running itself in circles. Even this reply is getting repetitive.

The biggest and smartest people on this board have answered your question. You have competitors AND coaches answering you and you still dont seem to get it. AND WITH THAT, most people have then said, "Ok, then do the experiment yourself....just don't get fat. Try it." So go ahead. Do it. You dont like Luki's answer, you don't like dante's teachings, you don't like Dom's answer, then go ahead and try it yourself and tell us how it goes. Go prep, rebound out into an offseason and DON'T GET FAT. That's all you have to do....then diet down again and see how much your scale weight has increased. What other answer is there to give?

 

[burgundy]

then go ahead and try it yourself and tell us how it goes. Go prep, rebound out into an offseason and DON'T GET FAT. That's all you have to do....then diet down again and see how much your scale weight has increased. What other answer is there to give?

Alright. Thank you

 

[burgundy]

You want to put on the most tissue possible? There is a decent likelihood you might have to have a couple offseasons of hard pushing.
Or do you want to put on a couple solid pounds here and there. Then, stay lean.
Again, there is no magic formula.

2nd reply of whole thread. You answered it right there. I just am/was still looking for a secret.

Along with

IG is smoke and mirrors

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what you see on IG and how someone looks in real life you would be very disappointed lol

I get it now. And I knew this I just wanted to hear that the answer was ‘secretly’ high tren/GH off-season as I’ve never done that.

I also understand that being bigger will raise my maintenance.

My bad for being so difficult

 

[luki7788]

2nd reply of whole thread. You answered it right there. I just am/was still looking for a secret.

Along with

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I get it now. And I knew this I just wanted to hear that the answer was ‘secretly’ high tren/GH off-season as I’ve never done that.

I also understand that being bigger will raise my maintenance.

My bad for being so difficult

 

[td]

There are people putting on 10 lbs a year at ~10% bf. Not staying in stage condition. But not fat. You've seen Justin do it with Paul Barnett and Ben Pollack. Justin's younger guy that just lost to Sam sulek, Cole Albersworth has done it the past 4 years in a row.

If you want to put the absolute most muscle on in the shortest period of time, you might need to get softer than you desire. But unfortunately, it's usually not eating junk. If so powerlifters and strongman would like bodybuilders. How much clean food can you eat before you're just sick of the whole thing?

There are guys who do it.

It can be done. But there's no secret. It's living like you're on prep, year-round. Cardio. Training. No missed meals. No binging. Why don't most people do it? Because it's fucking hard.

Yes, it requires drugs. I don't believe it requires a gram of tren. If you think a gram of tren isn't any more risky than a gram of testosterone, you can try it. The reason that competitors pick less harsh compounds in the off-season is so that they can push the dose with fewer side effects.

The first thing to do though, is get in shape. It's not a mini-cut. Get in stage shape. All the rebound strategy conversation is months away. If you're 15% bodyfat, it might take 24 weeks. But the fat has to come off. Good luck.

 

[burgundy]

There are people putting on 10 lbs a year at ~10% bf. Not staying in stage condition. But not fat. You've seen Justin do it with Paul Barnett and Ben Pollack. Justin's younger guy that just lost to Sam sulek, Cole Albersworth has done it the past 4 years in a row.

If you want to put the absolute most muscle on in the shortest period of time, you might need to get softer than you desire. But unfortunately, it's usually not eating junk. If so powerlifters and strongman would like bodybuilders. How much clean food can you eat before you're just sick of the whole thing?

There are guys who do it.

It can be done. But there's no secret. It's living like you're on prep, year-round. Cardio. Training. No missed meals. No binging. Why don't most people do it? Because it's fucking hard.

Yes, it requires drugs. I don't believe it requires a gram of tren. If you think a gram of tren isn't any more risky than a gram of testosterone, you can try it. The reason that competitors pick less harsh compounds in the off-season is so that they can push the dose with fewer side effects.

The first thing to do though, is get in shape. It's not a mini-cut. Get in stage shape. All the rebound strategy conversation is months away. If you're 15% bodyfat, it might take 24 weeks. But the fat has to come off. Good luck.

The pic you posted earlier in this thread proves that. Even 5-7lbs a year is respectable and you’re definitely far from fat if that is the peak of your off-season.

I’m not sure your height/weight, but it may not be as manageable to still gain 5-7lbs in a year and stay that lean for someone larger. I really don’t know.

But yeah, in an ideal world I’d never spill past 10%

I’m prepping for my first competition and my first rebound from said competition so I only have so many questions with regards to this as I’m doing it by myself without a coach.

Even if it’s a massive failure I think I need to go through it for the learning experience alone. Really just trying to optimize this to the best of my ability

Also I still do fasted cardio year-round, my cheats are once a week and generally a burger with fries, don’t miss meals, don’t miss training. I’m not even ridiculously fat I have veins in my quads but I’m still fatter than my liking