Have you tried Lunesta. Leaves awful aftertaste though.
Thanks! Others have suggested this as well. If it works, the awful aftertaste would not even be an inconvenience compared to the shit I've gone thru.
Nyquil and Melatonin knocks me out
Trazodone for insomnia. It's the only thing that worked for me, especially for tren related insomnia.
Tradozone was the hands down worse for me, followed by Ambien (coming in a close 2nd). Nyquil + Mel were very ineffective and made things worse as well.
The problem is alot of these meds you can become dependant on.
As I mentioned before, I'm aware of the risks AND my intent is not to use these agents permanently but to get my circadian cycle back on track.
Reefer...just like mom use to make. Use a vaporizer.:headbang:
That's one thing I haven't tried and don't plan on it!
Passion flower always does it for me
Do you take this individually or as part of a formula. The [so-called] #1 sleep selling formula I took last night contained passion flower… no dice to that either.
Suprised this hasn't been mentioned, if so my bad i must of missed it. True Protein Sleep Aids are hands down the best product. That mixed with their zma is a great combo.
I've tried most if not all of the stuff in there, but I know ratios, purity, etc. can make/break a formula. May just give this a try. Their protein is the shit and the fish oil is awesome, so I'll prolly pick some up next time I order.
I will chime in one more time.
Getting to the root cause of insomnia can be a very difficult endeavour because all forms of therapy are time consuming and open up many different avenues to explore. Not knowing a lot about your history I wouldn't delve into that aspect on a board.
One thing to consider is a sleep ritual which is something I found worked for me for a period of time. You need to have at least a couple of hours to unwind and if you are working out in the evening/night this can be difficult. Pick two hour when you do the same things to prep yourself for bed. This can be having a meal, watching a bit of TV (hopefully the TV is not in your bedroom) or reading a book. Sex can be thrown in there as well. Use this time period to relax and unwind before you head to the bedroom (unless of course if sex is part of the ritual) as this will help with the cycling of thoughts that keep many of us awake.
Try not to put too much pressure on yourself to fall asleep, but if you are still awake after 30 minutes or so get up. Read a bit or have something relaxing to do. Many people get into puzzles for this time period. The table puzzles with 1000 pieces or so, word searches, stuff like that. Work on them until you feel drowsy and then try sleeping once again. Sleep rituals work for some people but not all. It may be worth a try.
I've tried all that (sleep ritual), except for the sex part (no bf at the moment). And puzzles backfired. I used to do Sudkos but after a year of failure and now being in close to the worse shape in my life ever, (despite maximal efforts in the gym), I actually start to get anxious just looking a one.
I appreciate your advice but the main thing you seem to be missing is that
it's not nerves keeping me up; in otherwords, it's not like I get into bed and immediately become anxious, like 'oh shit... here it goes again... omg... I'm not gonna be able to get to sleep tonight...' (like a lot ppl/friends feel). The handful of times I feel wired before bed is either from taking stimulants too late and/or from a super long workout that gives me a second wind. When this happens, I definitely do not even attempt to sleep.
Rather, I'm talking about most nights (95% of the time): I'll feel drop dead-exhausted, as in being so freakin sleep deprived that I'm seeing blurry, walking into things, barely functioning, feeling on verge of collapse (and even on the verge of sleep), but just not being able to get to sleep. Funny (ironic) thing is that when I feel this way between 5 AM - noon (or during the day), I'm
always able to sleep...
So either my circadian cycle is flipped and/or the hypoglycemia I'm experiencing (from eating all my food at night) is preventing sleep.
You mentioned trying a variety of sleep medications (extremely potent ones), stimulants (Adderall), and other OTC supplements. What all are you taking? What was the rationale for these prescriptions? Diagnosis? What does your typical day look like? Overweight? Neck 17" or greater for a male or 16" if a female? Sleep study? Using unapproved peptides to control insulin?
I am just curious...this is an incredibly unusual situation and I am very familiar with the DISTRESS associated with sleep disturbances. What would happen if you discontinued all sleep/energy related medications?
Almost all of the sleep meds I have a prescription for, the exceptions being Ativan (which I tried from a friend) and Xanax (which I tried from my bro), basically to save time and money from having to take half a day off from work to go to my GP, pay the $20 co-pay, and have him try me on some of these same meds only to find they don't work.
Adderall, I tried once from a friend out of curiosity. IMO, it gave shitty energy and also made me crash, so there was most definitely no addiction to something that makes me feel like shit and I did not take it or have any desire to take it again.
Rationale for my GP prescribing the sleep meds - cuz I was/am ready to collapse and have troubling functioning on 1-3 hrs/day sleep. Diagnosis (as for sleep)... I'm not really sure if he gave me one. Cuz I DO sleep (and VERY well, w/o any meds) under the following circumstances: 1) at night like a normal person if I eat at last 2,000 calories in one sitting; 2) in the morning ~5:00 AM +/- an hour, without the influence of anything.
As for other diagnoses: post-prandial hypoglycemia, post-prandial hyperinsulinema, "pre-diabetic", and even one endocrinologist who diagnosed me as "diabetic" (despite perfect fasting blood glood).
Re: typical day. During the week I work regular 1st shift hours; typically do my first light workout (2-3 mi walking) at lunch around 1:00-3:00 PM; 2nd workout (more cardio and sometimes weights) around 5:30-8:30 PM. I'll get tired between 9:00-10:30 PM but can't sleep. Meal 1 has been around 9:00-10:00 PM; Sometimes I'll sleep right after, but usually the hypoglycemia keeps me awake. I'll have my 2nd Meal, (which is driven by hypoglycemia/exhaustion), 1-2 hrs. later, (and sometimes be able to sleep after that, but usually not); provided I haven't reached my caloric limit, I'll then have a 3rd Meal, 1-2 hrs. after my 2nd Meal (again, driven entirely by hypoglycemia).; if I have reached my caloric limit, then I'll just lie in bed exhausted, trying to sleep (which never happens); so I'll go to my gym at 4:30 in the morning and workout then… unfortunately, after over a year of this kind of sleep deprivation, one or more times a week I give in (and eat another meal, blowing my caloric goal), in order to be able to sleep.
Overweight? Depends what charts you look at. Yes, according to this -
Height and Weight Chart (I'm 5'3" small framed female, so weight range listed is 111 - 124 and I'm ~130). No based on bodyfat; I [was] supposedly 17.7%, according to one of those bioimpedence scales, (although, after this past week, I've gained at least 1-3 lbs. of fat). I'm desperately trying to shed fat, and it's proving to be an impossible task.
As for my peptide use, the intent was not to control insulin; I'm still in search for something to help in that regard. The peptides have worked miracles to control my insane hunger levels, which, without them, is so excruciatingly painful that I would literally pass out from the pain. The hunger was what threw my circadian cycle out of whack to begin without; the painful hunger would prevent me sleeping and also cause me wake up from deep sleep in much pain; so the only way to get any sleep and prevent fat gain was to eat all my food during the night…
What would happen if you discontinued all sleep/energy related medications?
Discont. Sleep meds = no sleep
Discont. Stims = prolly lose my job because I would not be able to function, due to fatigue
Discont. Peptides = gain 2-3 lbs. of fat per week (literally. This is not speculation, and is exactly what started to happen to me back in 2008, where things really when whack with the insane hunger. Then I learned about and obtained hCG, which stopped the weight gain in its tracks and actually allowed me to get back to where I feel best (~110 lbs.).