15%bf and cycle

[chemistery-brain]

hi i have a question about cycle and bf, why isnt recommanded to cycle steroid when bf is higher than 15% is it a health issue or its about steroid absorbtion?

 

[cachexic]

If you're not capable of being lean/looking good naturally with diet, what makes you think you're capable of maximizing gains with steroids?

Can you imagine how awful you're going to look when you're all bloated from the steroids/added consumption + being 15% BF? You're going to look like a lump of shit no offense. And this is assuming you're correct about your body fat being 15%. Did you get tested? Most people underestimate their body fat percent.

Get lean first, in my opinion. Take note I'm a complete novice when it comes to steroids. So...ignore my post if you want.

 

[Dial_tone]

If you're not capable of being lean/looking good naturally with diet, what makes you think you're capable of maximizing gains with steroids?

Can you imagine how awful you're going to look when you're all bloated from the steroids/added consumption + being 15% BF? You're going to look like a lump of shit no offense. And this is assuming you're correct about your body fat being 15%. Did you get tested? Most people underestimate their body fat percent.

Get lean first, in my opinion. Take note I'm a complete novice when it comes to steroids. So...ignore my post if you want.

That's actually a very good response. If you're going to do a cutting cycle then being higher is okay but if you're hoping to gain a bunch of size AND lose bodyfat together it's probably not going to happen. It's just a poor use of steroids for a beginner.

 

[OUS-Rep]

AAS isn't going to turn Fat Albert into Ronnie Coleman. BBing is a lifestyle that incorporates diet rest and training. It's not just stick a pin in your ass and throw a few weights around and there you go. It's knowing why you use certain regimens to obtain a desired effect and perfecting it to your own ability. If you think you're gonna run a cycle and look good at the end starting off at over 15% BF and do nothing different in your daily schedule you're going to be disappointed with the outcome.

 

[Arcus]

I'm with the rest, you would regret using your gear in the end after you noticed you only became more bloated and fat.

 

[qwerty_uk]

what a bunch of crap post.

Who said you can't use AAS over 15%??

Being 15% or over does not mean someone doesn't know how to train or diet. You can eat 100% healthy and be 15% fat.

Also why can't you loose some bf and gain muscle? Especially with the use of AAS, just gaining muscle will lower your bf %. (Also there was no mention that a lower %bf was the goal of taking AAS)

and the use of AAS does not have to = a ton of bloat.

Also how is 15% fat?? maybe not quite trim but not far off.

 

[mature muscle]

bro use low doses of test with EQ or deca or var eat better do cardio. and you will get lean. i,m one of those guys that lean does not come natural but with gear i,m almost there work hard you,ll get there. but the cardio is a must

 

[phreak]

what a bunch of crap post.

Who said you can't use AAS over 15%??

Being 15% or over does not mean someone doesn't know how to train or diet. You can eat 100% healthy and be 15% fat.

Also why can't you loose some bf and gain muscle? Especially with the use of AAS, just gaining muscle will lower your bf %. (Also there was no mention that a lower %bf was the goal of taking AAS)

and the use of AAS does not have to = a ton of bloat.

Also how is 15% fat?? maybe not quite trim but not far off.

translation: i'm over 15% and insulted that folks would say i shouldn't be using steroids.

 

[Ivan]

That's actually a very good response. If you're going to do a cutting cycle then being higher is okay but if you're hoping to gain a bunch of size AND lose bodyfat together it's probably not going to happen. It's just a poor use of steroids for a beginner.

All a "cutting cycle" is, is using an aas that does not cause the person to hold a lot of water. All aas are going to up protein synthesis, and build muscle. People get big and lean at the same time a lot. But that is diet. AAS just speed up the process. You can eat a little dirtier on aas as well, but usually people who have already been fairly lean, then went up in bf%, (so they have already been lean before, the body has been there) have an easier time than others who have not -- and they can also get away with cheating more, at least that has been my experience. And a beginner should not be using aas anyways.

what a bunch of crap post.

Who said you can't use AAS over 15%??

Being 15% or over does not mean someone doesn't know how to train or diet. You can eat 100% healthy and be 15% fat.

Also why can't you loose some bf and gain muscle? Especially with the use of AAS, just gaining muscle will lower your bf %. (Also there was no mention that a lower %bf was the goal of taking AAS)

Also the use of AAS does not have to = a ton of bloat.

I suppose it depends on the point of view. Eating 100% healthy I mean. What is "healthy?" To some people eating healthy is not eating red meat, or abstaining from transfats. To others it is staying away from carbs, while others shy from fats. I do agree that someone with a 15% bf does not mean they are unhealthy. They are not lean though. For the most part though, I agree with your post.

 

[chemistery-brain]

ok thanks guys anyway but i wasnt asking about what cycle to do and what compound to run im 6'7 295 pound at 18% bf so i dont want to get any bigger
i was thinking this way:
1-because of the fatty nature of steroid (cholesterole derivated) then taking steroid when you are fat your body isnt going to absorb it well (first theorie).
2-if you are over 15% so you are not dedicated enough to jump on steroid.
anyway i really think thant when you are fat and want to cycle you have to eat clean and really clean and do cardio ed and use aromatase inhabtior to control the bloat

 

[OUS-Rep]

what a bunch of crap post.

Who said you can't use AAS over 15%??

Being 15% or over does not mean someone doesn't know how to train or diet. You can eat 100% healthy and be 15% fat.

Also why can't you loose some bf and gain muscle? Especially with the use of AAS, just gaining muscle will lower your bf %. (Also there was no mention that a lower %bf was the goal of taking AAS)

and the use of AAS does not have to = a ton of bloat.

Also how is 15% fat?? maybe not quite trim but not far off.

Not even worth a comment so that's all you get.

translation: i'm over 15% and insulted that folks would say i shouldn't be using steroids.

Thinking along the same line there bro.

 

[OUS-Rep]

ok thanks guys anyway but i wasnt asking about what cycle to do and what compound to run im 6'7 295 pound at 18% bf so i dont want to get any bigger
i was thinking this way:
1-because of the fatty nature of steroid (cholesterole derivated) then taking steroid when you are fat your body isnt going to absorb it well (first theorie).
2-if you are over 15% so you are not dedicated enough to jump on steroid.
anyway i really think thant when you are fat and want to cycle you have to eat clean and really clean and do cardio ed and use aromatase inhabtior to control the bloat

18% isn't too far off. 3% on a guy your size will fall off in no time and you won't even miss it. Good synopsis though, couple months of getting the BF down and you'll be set.

 

[Dial_tone]

All a "cutting cycle" is, is using an aas that does not cause the person to hold a lot of water.

That may be your definition. My definition is a cycle that has dropping body fat as the main goal with maintaining current muscle as the secondary goal.

 

[CHAPS]

hi i have a question about cycle and bf, why isnt recommanded to cycle steroid when bf is higher than 15% is it a health issue or its about steroid absorbtion?

The short answer is your cycle will be more effective, nutrient partitioning is better at lower bodyfat levels and if using aromatizing compounds less aromatizationg will occur as bodyfat is a breeding ground for estrogen. I look back and kick myself for cycling at 18% stupid stupid stupid. Try dieting for say 6 weeks or so, this will also prime your body for growth. Just my 2 cents

 

[qwerty_uk]

I aint insulted I'll happly say I'm on the fat side at probably 18% bf but at 245lb (clean) with almost 8 months off last year I dont think I'm doing too bad.

I think 10-12 % is ideal but acting like 15% is fat is stupid, when I think even by BB'ing standards 12% would be fairly lean.

The reason I posted in that manner is that I sick of the post from 170lb'ers commenting that a few extra % bf = obese and not bb'er standard when they haven't hardly a lb of muscle over non-bb'ers, or the guys that have some decent size and low bf who never come off gear long enough to find out that keeping low bf wouldn't be that easy when they haven't got grams of gear in them.

Also being big doesn't mean that dropping bf % will be easier.

lets say 180lb at 18% = 32.4lb of fat
250lb at 18% = 45lb of fat

so although a heavier person will need more calories, they have more fat to loose per %

 

[mexbeast]

ok thanks guys anyway but i wasnt asking about what cycle to do and what compound to run im 6'7 295 pound at 18% bf so i dont want to get any bigger
i was thinking this way:
1-because of the fatty nature of steroid (cholesterole derivated) then taking steroid when you are fat your body isnt going to absorb it well (first theorie).
2-if you are over 15% so you are not dedicated enough to jump on steroid.
anyway i really think thant when you are fat and want to cycle you have to eat clean and really clean and do cardio ed and use aromatase inhabtior to control the bloat

the reason its not recommended to use aas is that the higher the body fat the more some aas will turn to estrogen, but you can take aas regardless of body fat level just make sure to use none aromatizing aas, such as wynstrol,primabolan,oxandrolon,masteron,proviron,halotestin, and trenbolone. this aas will give you the desire effects as long as you know how to use them to optimize they're results, most people only speak of things they have heard of or been told, but don't really have the knowledge to give recommendations.! jmo

 

[qwerty_uk]

18% isn't too far off. 3% on a guy your size will fall off in no time and you won't even miss it. Good synopsis though, couple months of getting the BF down and you'll be set.

read the op

none of the post adressed the question at all and just lectured that being 15% or over was too fat and shouldn't use AAS and that being over 15% meant diet or training wasn't good enough or that they must be inexperienced. Hence why they were crap replies.

Maybe if they said they was 150lb and >15% the replies may have been justified, even if they still didn't answer the question.

 

[big_paul_ski]

what a bunch of crap post.

Who said you can't use AAS over 15%??

Being 15% or over does not mean someone doesn't know how to train or diet. You can eat 100% healthy and be 15% fat.

Also why can't you loose some bf and gain muscle? Especially with the use of AAS, just gaining muscle will lower your bf %. (Also there was no mention that a lower %bf was the goal of taking AAS)

and the use of AAS does not have to = a ton of bloat.

Also how is 15% fat?? maybe not quite trim but not far off.

i agree. i first cycles at about 15-17% and looked good. i guess it depends on how much muscle mass you have. im at about 15 right now but you can see veins in my chest, shoulder and quads. i think that gives the illusion of of being lean. i think its ok as long as it doesnt get out of controll. 12-15% seems to be my sweet spot for adding lean mass.

 

[mexbeast]

read the op

none of the post adressed the question at all and just lectured that being 15% or over was too fat and shouldn't use AAS and that being over 15% meant diet or training wasn't good enough or that they must be inexperienced. Hence why they were crap replies.

Maybe if they said they was 150lb and >15% the replies may have been justified, even if they still didn't answer the question.

well said i try to answer question with a straight forward response and give suggestions to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Golgo13]

...Eating 100% healthy I mean. What is "healthy?" To some people eating healthy is not eating red meat, or abstaining from transfats. To others it is staying away from carbs, while others shy from fats. ...

so true.