500mg of test for 10-12 weeks necessary for a first cycle

[Pump2356]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) it gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

 

[alan1973]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) it gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

250/wk spread out in 3 shots of TestE worked great for me. I am super sensitive though.

 

[Diesel250]

Hey guys,


I was just curious as to why many boards say to start off with 500mg of test for 10-12 weeks since in anabolics editions (especially 2006) it gives example cycles that are very low such as test enanthate at 250mg a week stacked with eq at 250mg a week for a total of 10 weeks. I know the author's main concern in on safety; however, he insisted with the right nutrition, attitude, and training a newbie would produce dramatic results on the cycles listed.

I know one of my former trainers who only took 20mg of dianabol(maybe 25 i can't remember exactly but it was very low) along with 250 mg of deca for 8 weeks and went from 160-205 and dropped down to 185 lean after the cycle without pct (since pct didn't exist during his time). He is also short at around 5'6 and could squat and dead over 315 for 10-12 reps 3-4 sets before juicing too.

Also, didn't mick hart put his son on low dosages of sustanon and deca at 250 a piece for 8 weeks and he put on around 35-40 pounds that he kept in two cycles...

So I was interested in hearing guys thoughts on how much is actually needed to grow safely for a "recreational bodybuiler" and shouldn't 8 weeks be the max for a cycle if using over 500mg of test or using dianabol since the amound of stress being put on the organs and also in the long run too.

I just find this interesting since I see guys who can put on 20+ pounds on just 250mg of test a week for 8 weeks for a first cycle as compared to many guys putting only 15-20 at 500mg and then losing alot after pct... Is training and nutrition lacking ?
Given the guys using low dosages I know are financially blessed where they don't have to work currently and eat and go to the gym all day with their trainers.

400mg deca per week and 50mg winstrol every other day. Stay on this for 10-12 weeks. I like these two compounds because they are virtually side effect free and, as a first cycle, you'll get lots of gains.....with very few losses after the cycle is over.

 

[GoneForever]

Very mixed opinons here. But this is my advice. 100mg of test is gonna shut you down the same as 500 and the same as 1000. Starting off at 1000 is way too much and it will just be harder and harder to gain more later on, b/c you will depend on that 1000mg dose. I actually think 500mg per week of just test is a perfect first cycle. Maybe throw in some winny or something as well.

 

[Putin]

Different for everybody. But to keep it safe it's best to advice newbies to take lower dose than high dose. I mean, when someone is only 160lbs, they dont need 1g of test. They can start at 350mg/week. Maybe someone who's 180lbs can use a bit more.

With the majority of average users, more steroids is not better. Your body will only use so much of it. If any of you dont believe it, try taking 1g of gear and then 5g of gear and tell me if there is a difference. None, maybe more sides.

 

[ForemanRules]

400mg deca per week and 50mg winstrol every other day. Stay on this for 10-12 weeks. I like these two compounds because they are virtually side effect free and, as a first cycle, you'll get lots of gains.....with very few losses after the cycle is over.

WTF???

First that cycle will kill your libido and winny is far from side effect free....hell winny is one of the worst steroids you can use esp in oral form. As for gains that cycle is terrible.

Test at 300-400mg a week should yeild great gains for beginners.

 

[monstermass]

i agree WTF??

400mg deca per week and 50mg winstrol every other day. Stay on this for 10-12 weeks. I like these two compounds because they are virtually side effect free and, as a first cycle, you'll get lots of gains.....with very few losses after the cycle is over.

dude where are you getting your info from you must not use your penis!!
cause that cycle will make your libido slim to none!!

ive said it 1000 times and will say it till the day i die:
A CYCLE IS NOT A CYCLE WITHOUT TEST!!!! BOTTOM LINE.

perfect noob cycle is:
wk 1-12 500mg test of any kind, the best for noob long ester like test e or test c
wk1-5 40mg dbol ed
and have some nolva or adex on hand in case of gyno sides as for estro bloat on this cycle i wouldnt even worry but 25mg nolva ed or eod will help alot.
good luck my friend.

 

[balla06]

dude where are you getting your info from you must not use your penis!!
cause that cycle will make your libido slim to none!!

ive said it 1000 times and will say it till the day i die:
A CYCLE IS NOT A CYCLE WITHOUT TEST!!!! BOTTOM LINE.

perfect noob cycle is:
wk 1-2 500mg test of any kind, the best for noob long ester like test e or test c
wk1-5 40mg dbol ed
and have some nolva or adex on hand in case of gyno sides as for estro bloat on this cycle i wouldnt even worry but 25mg nolva ed or eod will help alot.
good luck my friend.

i agree with this totally. and this is a very good cycle to start out at and im sure he meant wk 1 - 12 on the test(typo) so dont get thrown off

alot of ppl will have diff veiws on this but hey, everyone is differnt

"differnt strokes for differnt folks!"


but this cycle is a very good place to start!

 

[monstermass]

edited sorry bro yes 1-12 on the test bro!!!!

 

[GoneForever]

WTF???

First that cycle will kill your libido and winny is far from side effect free....hell winny is one of the worst steroids you can use esp in oral form. As for gains that cycle is terrible.

Test at 300-400mg a week should yeild great gains for beginners.

I agree that deca/winny is a bad cycle, but im gonna have to disagree that winny is one of the worst steroids you can use. Stacked with test it will make a great first cycle. Gains are not easily lost and strength is great.

 

[Diesel250]

WTF???

First that cycle will kill your libido and winny is far from side effect free....hell winny is one of the worst steroids you can use esp in oral form. As for gains that cycle is terrible.

Test at 300-400mg a week should yeild great gains for beginners.

I tallked to jumbo palumbo the other day and he reccommend this for a first.

 

[Golgo13]

My first cycle was 500 test, and my cycles are still 500 test (with either 400eq or 250tren), I grow from every one of em and I have been doing this for 4 years.