555 test level to 900

[jef]

Can anyone recommend a proper dosage to raise my test level from a 555 to a 900 or 1000? I'm starting 2xday workouts again and needing the recovery, attitude adjustment, sickness prevention and muscle maintenance. I'm leaning towards 100-150 a week and believe that would be pretty close to what a doc would recommend. This is not for bodybuilding hence the lower dose.

 

[hawkmoon]

You need to work with your doc on this.
Everyone responds differently to the same dose. Your doc will put you on the lowest amount possible and continue to draw blood to check your levels. If you are really after improved health and not enhancement work closely (and patiently) with a good doc.

 

[pesty4077]

Can anyone recommend a proper dosage to raise my test level from a 555 to a 900 or 1000? I'm starting 2xday workouts again and needing the recovery, attitude adjustment, sickness prevention and muscle maintenance. I'm leaning towards 100-150 a week and believe that would be pretty close to what a doc would recommend. This is not for bodybuilding hence the lower dose.

No legit Doctor will prescribe you TEST, when 555 is in the normal range.

 

[jef]

......told me at the end of my last session of 2xd to let me know when I go back to that amount of training and wants to see my test levels at high 800's to low 900's. I don't want to have to go through the doc though and i'm comfortable prescribing my own but hoping to get an idea what a doc would normally rx to accomplish this.....maybe I should re-think this but it seems like a pain to have to go in every week for a shot and blood work every couple of weeks.
the highest i've run is 1200mg wk but that's here nor there.

 

[jef]

he mentioned the creams and I haven't heard great feedback vs injectables. any thoughts on that?

You need to work with your doc on this.
Everyone responds differently to the same dose. Your doc will put you on the lowest amount possible and continue to draw blood to check your levels. If you are really after improved health and not enhancement work closely (and patiently) with a good doc.

 

[kid1dakota]

No legit Doctor will prescribe you TEST, when 555 is in the normal range.

True, most docs would be happy getting a hypogonadal patient to 555.

 

[maldorf]

......told me at the end of my last session of 2xd to let me know when I go back to that amount of training and wants to see my test levels at high 800's to low 900's. I don't want to have to go through the doc though and i'm comfortable prescribing my own but hoping to get an idea what a doc would normally rx to accomplish this.....maybe I should re-think this but it seems like a pain to have to go in every week for a shot and blood work every couple of weeks.
the highest i've run is 1200mg wk but that's here nor there.

the doc would prescribe you test and youll do your own shots at home and then go in to the lab for tests after a period of time. To get where you want to be, I would need between 120-150 mg/wk. Im on 120 mg/wk now and im at the upper 800s. Everyone is different though. 150mg/wk should be plenty.

If youre doing this for life though you need to do it through the doctor. He will keep your test level where it needs to be and test you for side effects by monitoring your blood work on a regular basis. You should not try to do this on your own. You say your doc is willing to get you into this range? When he asks about the gels, just tell him youve heard bad things about it and would prefer IM injections. thats what I told my endo, and I didnt have to screw with those stupid creams.

 

[Thebigone]

IMO go big or go home. If your at 555 your levels are good and in range and no point in taking a chance of shutting them down with a measly 100-150mg test/wk b/c thats about the avg range to get your levels close to 1000(again everyone is diff but thats avg) If you wanna use some test use a min of 300mg per week.

 

[maldorf]

IMO go big or go home. If your at 555 your levels are good and in range and no point in taking a chance of shutting them down with a measly 100-150mg test/wk b/c thats about the avg range to get your levels close to 1000(again everyone is diff but thats avg) If you wanna use some test use a min of 300mg per week.

He does have a point about it not being a great thing shutting yourself down 100%. Your levles are within normal, so unless you really feel like shit its probably best to leave it alone.

Now going on 300 mg/wk HRt is not a bright thing to do, so dont even think about that.

 

[Elvia1023]

IMO go big or go home. If your at 555 your levels are good and in range and no point in taking a chance of shutting them down with a measly 100-150mg test/wk b/c thats about the avg range to get your levels close to 1000(again everyone is diff but thats avg) If you wanna use some test use a min of 300mg per week.

I second that. Sure if you were low then get on TRT. But you are in the normal range and you wanna shut yourself down for 150mg per week. Not to mention some of the negatives that can bring about. I would much rather be a natural at 555 then on gear for life and be in the 800's.

I find it interesting your reasons for this. You wanna do 2 workouts per day? Are you competing for something? Are the 2 workouts per day needed cos your going far in a particular sport? Or is it solely to keep fit/toned etc.

If you want a boost try a good tribulus and/or ginseng complex.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

As interesting a supplement that has come down the pike in awhile....

I am very curious personally on what D-aspartic acid is going to accomplish....

In humans and rats, sodium D-aspartate induces an enhancement of LH and testosterone release.

Effects of D-aspartate on LH and testosterone release in humans

In this study 23 participants took an oral dose of sodium D-aspartate (DADAVIT®) for 12 consecutive days and 20 participants took an oral dose of placebo (DADAVIT® placebo) for 12 consecutive days; the levels of LH and testosterone in the serum were monitored after 6 and 12 days of treatment and 3 days after suspension of the treatment (with D-aspartate or the placebo).

Concerning the LH pattern, the results demonstrated that after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, 20 out of 23 (87%) participants had significantly increased concentrations of LH in their blood with respect to basal values (the value of LH found in the same subjects before starting treatment). Statistical analysis demonstrated that the value (mean ± SEM) of serum calculated for all the 23 subjects treated with D-Asp increased by 33.3%

Concerning the effect of D-Asp on the induction of testosterone release, after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, the levels of testosterone in the serum of the participants were significantly increased compared with basal levels. Out of 23 participants, 20 had increased testosterone. From a mean of 4.5 ± 0.6 ng/ml serum at zero time, it rose to 6.4 ± 0.8 ng/ml, a 42% increase (Table 1). Statistical analyses indicated a significant effect [ANOVA with repeated measures: treatment effect: F(1,82) = 7.724, p < 0.0082] and a significant interaction between treatment and days [F(2,82) = 32.599; P < 0.0001]. As with LH, so also with testosterone, the effect of D-aspartate was time dependent. When subjects were treated with sodium-D-aspartate for only 6 days, testosterone was found of 1.15-fold higher than basal levels, but this increase was not statistically significant (Table 1). Interestingly 3 days after the suspension of D-Asp treatment, testosterone was still increased 1.22-fold compared with the basal levels (5.8 ± 0.6 ng/ml against 4.5 ± 0.6 ng/ml).

Involvement of D-aspartic acid in the synthesis of... [Life Sci. 1996] - PubMed result

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic aci... [Reprod Biol Endocrinol. 2009] - PubMed result

D-Aspartic Acid (DAA) Increases Testosterone


I saw a guys bloodwork on another site who was coming off a cycle and he used DAA and it raised his total serum testosterone by 143 in 45 days

Its on our site:

**broken link removed**

**broken link removed**

 

[KillerStack]

Yes DAA sounds interesting since I read about it on ergo-log.

I think there were some concerns about possible toxicity so long term use might not be a good idea. I was thinking perhaps a course after a typical PCT when levels might crash again.

Patrick Arnold suggested it be stacked with a mild AI, if used as a standalone for a T boost.

 

[jef]

I had always read that even a low dose around 100 would shut the natty production and asked the doc about this and he said if it was within a range they could monitor that it would not be the case and would not interfere with reproduction, shut my natural production etc. I'm not looking to be on HRT for the rest of my life but with this much training I don't want to sacrifice my attitude, well being, recovery and muscle it took me years to get. With that said also; I'm skeptic about doing too much test having had a double gyno surgery recently as well (granted that was probably caused with mg of 1250 a wk).

He does have a point about it not being a great thing shutting yourself down 100%. Your levles are within normal, so unless you really feel like shit its probably best to leave it alone.

Now going on 300 mg/wk HRt is not a bright thing to do, so dont even think about that.

 

[jef]

Interesting. I ordered some protein a few weeks ago and it was saying on the front of it having aspartic acid....I've never heard of it before but it's interesting to hear that it has scientific studies to back it's elevated levels of test.
Are you the same person as the DC training that Jason Wojo is in? Always wondered if it was two of the same.

As interesting a supplement that has come down the pike in awhile....

I am very curious personally on what D-aspartic acid is going to accomplish....

In humans and rats, sodium D-aspartate induces an enhancement of LH and testosterone release.

Effects of D-aspartate on LH and testosterone release in humans

In this study 23 participants took an oral dose of sodium D-aspartate (DADAVIT®) for 12 consecutive days and 20 participants took an oral dose of placebo (DADAVIT® placebo) for 12 consecutive days; the levels of LH and testosterone in the serum were monitored after 6 and 12 days of treatment and 3 days after suspension of the treatment (with D-aspartate or the placebo).

Concerning the LH pattern, the results demonstrated that after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, 20 out of 23 (87%) participants had significantly increased concentrations of LH in their blood with respect to basal values (the value of LH found in the same subjects before starting treatment). Statistical analysis demonstrated that the value (mean ± SEM) of serum calculated for all the 23 subjects treated with D-Asp increased by 33.3%

Concerning the effect of D-Asp on the induction of testosterone release, after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, the levels of testosterone in the serum of the participants were significantly increased compared with basal levels. Out of 23 participants, 20 had increased testosterone. From a mean of 4.5 ± 0.6 ng/ml serum at zero time, it rose to 6.4 ± 0.8 ng/ml, a 42% increase (Table 1). Statistical analyses indicated a significant effect [ANOVA with repeated measures: treatment effect: F(1,82) = 7.724, p < 0.0082] and a significant interaction between treatment and days [F(2,82) = 32.599; P < 0.0001]. As with LH, so also with testosterone, the effect of D-aspartate was time dependent. When subjects were treated with sodium-D-aspartate for only 6 days, testosterone was found of 1.15-fold higher than basal levels, but this increase was not statistically significant (Table 1). Interestingly 3 days after the suspension of D-Asp treatment, testosterone was still increased 1.22-fold compared with the basal levels (5.8 ± 0.6 ng/ml against 4.5 ± 0.6 ng/ml).

Involvement of D-aspartic acid in the synthesis of... [Life Sci. 1996] - PubMed result

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic aci... [Reprod Biol Endocrinol. 2009] - PubMed result

D-Aspartic Acid (DAA) Increases Testosterone


I saw a guys bloodwork on another site who was coming off a cycle and he used DAA and it raised his total serum testosterone by 143 in 45 days

Its on our site:

**broken link removed**

**broken link removed**

 

[jef]

I second that. Sure if you were low then get on TRT. But you are in the normal range and you wanna shut yourself down for 150mg per week. Not to mention some of the negatives that can bring about. I would much rather be a natural at 555 then on gear for life and be in the 800's.
Thanks for the thoughts. I'm not looking to be on for life...just the next 5-6 months.

I find it interesting your reasons for this. You wanna do 2 workouts per day? Are you competing for something? Are the 2 workouts per day needed cos your going far in a particular sport? Or is it solely to keep fit/toned etc.

Well my training and lifestyle I feel are more active than others. My mornings throughout the week are a mixture of heavy metcon wods, crossfit, dc training, olympic lifts etc. Sometimes cardio will follow the morning workouts. Pm I road cycle 1-3 hours 4x a week along with other activities of hiking, waterskiing, soccer etc. Being active and doing this much is very therapeutic for me and I love being extremely fit and toned (many will think overtraining but I don't want to get into that here). Prob more than you cared to know.

If you want a boost try a good tribulus and/or ginseng complex.

I've read about trib in the past but don't have any idea what it is.
Anything in mind for a good trib or gins supp?

 

[maldorf]

I had always read that even a low dose around 100 would shut the natty production and asked the doc about this and he said if it was within a range they could monitor that it would not be the case and would not interfere with reproduction, shut my natural production etc. I'm not looking to be on HRT for the rest of my life but with this much training I don't want to sacrifice my attitude, well being, recovery and muscle it took me years to get. With that said also; I'm skeptic about doing too much test having had a double gyno surgery recently as well (granted that was probably caused with mg of 1250 a wk).

Well, I say if your doc is willing to help you with this, then go for it. For me at least, just 120 mg/wk is plenty. Most guys take anywhere from 100-150 per week. MOst of the docs will want to go 200 mg every 2 weeks, but once a week is the way to go.