Any Cholesterol Experts Here?

[JAP426]

Okay here we go. I am 35 and I had my cholesterol tested about 3 months ago at a whopping 261! My doctor immediately put me on a statin (Lipitor) which basically worked like a miracle drug on my cholesterol. My total went from 261 to 176 in a matter of 2 months! Also, no side effects at all.

I started on a short 3 week Superdrol cycle about a week ago and I re-tested my cholesterol again this morning. I have an expensive CardioChek analyzer that tests my cholesterol at home. Unfortunately I only have the "Total" cholesterol test strips right now and I do not have any HDL test strips. Anyway, my total this morning was 154!

I obviously have a bad feeling that the Superdrol plummeted my HDL levels. I still take a small dose of Lipitor (10 mg.) daily as my liver enzymes are in the acceptable range. So with the combination of the Superdrol and the Lipitor it looks like my total is still going down. Obviously due to the fact that the Lipitor lowers LDL and the Superdrol lowers HDL.

So can my "Total" cholesterol number get too low? If my total is only 154 but my HDL is very low could this cause me danger? OR should I ride the Superdrol cycle out 2 more weeks and then get my lipid profile back in check during PCT? I am thinking that a few weeks of low HDL won't be catastrophic. By the way, my HDL was 59 when I got my 261 reading.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

WELL

I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WHAT TH ERATIO OF HDL YOUR TOTAL CHOLESTEROL IS. WHY ARE YOU TAKING SUPERDROL?? YOU ARE ASKING FOR HEALTH PROBS.

 

[Fastandfurious]

Total cholesterol=HDL + LDL +(triglycerides/5)

Right now with the superdrol (or most other orals in big dosages) your hdl is probably in single digit numbers.
The most meaningful is the ratio between your ldl/hdl. It should be 6 or more.

Keep up the lipitor,ask your doctor to increase its dosage because if your hld doesn't go up or goes low you have to decrease the ldl also in order to keep the 6/1 ratio.

Also,don't use superdrol or other designer drugs.If you have to use or choose to use an oral,use the tried by millions for decades orals.They are cheaper,more effective,you know what they can and cannot do.
PLUS,when the pharm companies tried to manufacture dbol and not superdrol it wasn't because they couldn't make superdrol (its structure is simpler than dbol) ,it was probably because they made it along with 100 more drugs and it showed in studies it was too dangerous or not effective enough.
A pharm company's worst enemy is a lot of side effects from a drug,it brings lawsuits and makes it lose money.Use the path most traveled.

 

[JAP426]

I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WHAT TH ERATIO OF HDL YOUR TOTAL CHOLESTEROL IS. WHY ARE YOU TAKING SUPERDROL?? YOU ARE ASKING FOR HEALTH PROBS.

Lets just say that I cannot deal with any illegal compounds at this point and time. Basically gotta get what I can get cheap and (most importantly) legally. I purchased M-Drol (Superdrol clone) from a large supplement retailer for 30 bucks. Gotta do what I gotta do right now.

 

[Halfcenturian]

Same exact problem.

My last, post cycle lipid panel readings were;

Total cholest. 108
trig. 82
hdl 42 TOO LOW
ldl53
vldl 17
chol/hdl risk 0.5 0.2-1.0
ldl/hdl risk 0.6 0.2-1.0
chol/hdl 3.00 1.00-4.97 ratio
ldl/hdl 1.53 1.00-3.64 ratio

Everything is groovey except my HDL is, and always has been low. I supp. with niacin, red rice yeast flax and fish oil, as well as extra virgin olive oil.
Low HDL is bad fukcing news, even if all the other "bad" Cholesterol is in the dirt, like mine. HDL clears away all the shit cholesterol. Scrubbing bubbles.
They are working on a statin type drug that will help raise high HDL. But But I'm at risk for having such low HDL. It has NEVER been over 50.

Superdrol is Highly toxic. You should give strong consideration to injecting Test/ Dbol and the other ancillary drugs. You are REALLY putting yourself at Risk using SUPERDROL. Best of luck.

 

[Fastandfurious]

My last, post cycle lipid panel readings were;

Total cholest. 108
trig. 82
hdl 42 TOO LOW
ldl53
vldl 17
chol/hdl risk 0.5 0.2-1.0
ldl/hdl risk 0.6 0.2-1.0
chol/hdl 3.00 1.00-4.97 ratio
ldl/hdl 1.53 1.00-3.64 ratio

Everything is groovey except my HDL is, and always has been low. I supp. with niacin, red rice yeast flax and fish oil, as well as extra virgin olive oil.
Low HDL is bad fukcing news, even if all the other "bad" Cholesterol is in the dirt, like mine. HDL clears away all the shit cholesterol. Scrubbing bubbles.
They are working on a statin type drug that will help raise high HDL. But But I'm at risk for having such low HDL. It has NEVER been over 50.

Superdrol is Highly toxic. You should give strong consideration to injecting Test/ Dbol and the other ancillary drugs. You are REALLY putting yourself at Risk using SUPERDROL. Best of luck.

Your results are perfect.Nothing wrong with your hld.Your ldl is too low to cause any problems.
If you want to go one step further,check your Crp.But i really doubt there will be any problems there too,unless you have a serious teeth problem.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

HAAHHHAHAHHA

My last, post cycle lipid panel readings were;

Total cholest. 108
trig. 82
hdl 42 TOO LOW
ldl53
vldl 17
chol/hdl risk 0.5 0.2-1.0
ldl/hdl risk 0.6 0.2-1.0
chol/hdl 3.00 1.00-4.97 ratio
ldl/hdl 1.53 1.00-3.64 ratio

Everything is groovey except my HDL is, and always has been low. I supp. with niacin, red rice yeast flax and fish oil, as well as extra virgin olive oil.
Low HDL is bad fukcing news, even if all the other "bad" Cholesterol is in the dirt, like mine. HDL clears away all the shit cholesterol. Scrubbing bubbles.
They are working on a statin type drug that will help raise high HDL. But But I'm at risk for having such low HDL. It has NEVER been over 50.

Superdrol is Highly toxic. You should give strong consideration to injecting Test/ Dbol and the other ancillary drugs. You are REALLY putting yourself at Risk using SUPERDROL. Best of luck.

THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT ADD UP. YOUR HDL IS PERFECT BTW.

 

[aesop]

High cholesterol is not correlated to heart disease! Most cholesterol meds do not lower the risk of developing heart disease, or having a stroke, and the 1 that does has anti oxidant properties. Cholesterol lowering drugs are a scam plain and simple. They work (at lowering cholesterol not preventing heart disease) and the FDA has allowed the pharm companies to make billions every year from disinformation and propoganda. For the pharm companies its great cause half the damn population has high cholesterol and doctors prescribe it like candy. Guess what else lowers cholesterol and improves ldl to hdl ratios? (which you want below 4 not sure why the other dude says you want to maintain a 6) what is this miracle drug? Alcohol! yep 1-2 ounces 3 -7 days per week. Alcohol and other sugar alcohols (polycosanol etc) will help maintain cholesterol levels which are considered to be "healthy".

The problem is inflammation which can be brought on by high blood pressure, high blood glucose, shitty diet, diabetes, and lack of cardiovascular activity. In the presence of an inflammatory condition high or low cholesterol levels can lead to heart disease.
Gear use in general will lower overall cholesterol and lower hdl. You can counter this by eating a healthy, high fiber diet with plentiful amounts of mono and polyunsaturated fats, lots of anti oxidants, fruits vegetable etc.

 

[Fastandfurious]

I'm sorry but apart from the inflammation thing you're wrong.
High cholesterol is directly linked to more deaths from cardiovascular disease.
And statin use is a revolution unprecedented in the medical community,perhaps similar only to penicilin.It has reduced deaths and increase life expectancy for millions and millions of people worldwide.
And it's not only the FDA,there is one such administration in every country,they're not all wrong.
Plus,for the alcohol,it's not about alcohol,it's about other substances found in red whine mostly like resveratrol.And if you don't drink there'n not one doctor that recommends to start because of it.
For god's sake,you don't have to die in order to show you're against big drug companies...they're not wrong about all things all the time,and this time they're right on.Can you reduce the ldl to 0 ? This will save you quite surely from atherosclerosis,no matter the inflammation.There won't be any cholesterol to create atheromatic plaque.

 

[da smasher]

I wonder if the HGH frag will have the beneficial cholesterol effect as regular HGH? In january my doctor put me on nician 500mg per day after he saw my blood panel:

1/07 4/07

HDL 14 18
LDL 147 127
Tri 96 127
total ? 171
He just increased my dose to 1000mg of the Nician
I only use HRT 200mg etw of test, so they have improved but I am still a litle concerned. Any recommendations to get my ratio corrected. BTW I am 33yo, 6'3 270 12% PB 117/78

 

[JAP426]

I am going to get my blood work done in the morning. I'll keep you guys posted on my results. Thanks.

 

[aesop]

I'm sorry but apart from the inflammation thing you're wrong.
High cholesterol is directly linked to more deaths from cardiovascular disease.
And statin use is a revolution unprecedented in the medical community,perhaps similar only to penicilin.It has reduced deaths and increase life expectancy for millions and millions of people worldwide.
And it's not only the FDA,there is one such administration in every country,they're not all wrong.
Plus,for the alcohol,it's not about alcohol,it's about other substances found in red whine mostly like resveratrol.And if you don't drink there'n not one doctor that recommends to start because of it.
For god's sake,you don't have to die in order to show you're against big drug companies...they're not wrong about all things all the time,and this time they're right on.Can you reduce the ldl to 0 ? This will save you quite surely from atherosclerosis,no matter the inflammation.There won't be any cholesterol to create atheromatic plaque.

You are wrong on so many levels. I will post refs when I get to a computer. High cholesterol is not linked to heart disease about 50% of people who have heart disease have high cholesterol and the other 50% don't have high cholesterol.

What do you mean the FDA isn't wrong? look up your statins and see if they lower your risk for heart disease or if they solely treat hypercholesterolemia. So they aren't wrong they have just fooled you into taking a med for the rest of your life that will not prevent heart disease.

Any alcohol will improve cholesterol ratios. While resveratrol is an amazing chemical (I take 200mg ed), it is the ethyl alcohol found in beer, wine, spirits etc that improves cholesterol ratios.

Artherosclerosis is not caused by cholesterol, it is a result of inflammation, ldl at any concentration will not cause inflammation. LDL is necessary for cholesterol transport to all of the cells in the body so they can maintain the integrity of their cellular membranes, so you can't lower it to 0 or else you age very quickly and die early. HDL carries cholesterol from cells back to the liver where the cholesterol is removed and made into bile and removed from the blood. You can however lower inflammation and totally prevent the formation of any artherosclerosis no matter what you cholesterol levels are. Blood pressure, blood glucose, CRP, ph, and homocysteine levels are for more relevant risk factors for heart disease.

 

[aesop]

I'm sorry but apart from the inflammation thing you're wrong.
High cholesterol is directly linked to more deaths from cardiovascular disease.
And statin use is a revolution unprecedented in the medical community,perhaps similar only to penicilin.It has reduced deaths and increase life expectancy for millions and millions of people worldwide.
And it's not only the FDA,there is one such administration in every country,they're not all wrong.
Plus,for the alcohol,it's not about alcohol,it's about other substances found in red whine mostly like resveratrol.And if you don't drink there'n not one doctor that recommends to start because of it.
For god's sake,you don't have to die in order to show you're against big drug companies...they're not wrong about all things all the time,and this time they're right on.Can you reduce the ldl to 0 ? This will save you quite surely from atherosclerosis,no matter the inflammation.There won't be any cholesterol to create atheromatic plaque.

You are wrong on so many levels. I will post refs when I get to a computer. High cholesterol is not linked to heart disease about 50% of people who have heart disease have high cholesterol and the other 50% don't have high cholesterol.

What do you mean the FDA isn't wrong? look up your statins and see if they lower your risk for heart disease or if they solely treat hypercholesterolemia. So they aren't wrong they have just fooled you into taking a med for the rest of your life that will not prevent heart disease.

Any alcohol will improve cholesterol ratios. While resveratrol is an amazing chemical (I take 200mg ed), it is the ethyl alcohol found in beer, wine, spirits etc that improves cholesterol ratios.

Artherosclerosis is not caused by cholesterol, it is a result of inflammation, ldl at any concentration will not cause inflammation. LDL is necessary for cholesterol transport to all of the cells in the body so they can maintain the integrity of their cellular membranes, so you can't lower it to 0 or else you age very quickly and die early. HDL carries cholesterol from cells back to the liver where the cholesterol is removed and made into bile and removed from the blood. You can however lower inflammation and totally prevent the formation of any artherosclerosis no matter what you cholesterol levels are. Blood pressure, blood glucose, CRP, ph, and homocysteine levels are for more relevant risk factors for heart disease.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

NICE

You are wrong on so many levels. I will post refs when I get to a computer. High cholesterol is not linked to heart disease about 50% of people who have heart disease have high cholesterol and the other 50% don't have high cholesterol.

What do you mean the FDA isn't wrong? look up your statins and see if they lower your risk for heart disease or if they solely treat hypercholesterolemia. So they aren't wrong they have just fooled you into taking a med for the rest of your life that will not prevent heart disease.

Any alcohol will improve cholesterol ratios. While resveratrol is an amazing chemical (I take 200mg ed), it is the ethyl alcohol found in beer, wine, spirits etc that improves cholesterol ratios.

Artherosclerosis is not caused by cholesterol, it is a result of inflammation, ldl at any concentration will not cause inflammation. LDL is necessary for cholesterol transport to all of the cells in the body so they can maintain the integrity of their cellular membranes, so you can't lower it to 0 or else you age very quickly and die early. HDL carries cholesterol from cells back to the liver where the cholesterol is removed and made into bile and removed from the blood. You can however lower inflammation and totally prevent the formation of any artherosclerosis no matter what you cholesterol levels are. Blood pressure, blood glucose, CRP, ph, and homocysteine levels are for more relevant risk factors for heart disease.

GREAT POINTS. I REALLY RECOMMEND FISH OIL AND BABY ASPIRIN TO ALL OF MY CLIENTS. INFLAMATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF LOW HDL AND HIGH LDL/HIGH TRIGLYCERIDES IS A NASTY COMBINATION.

 

[da smasher]

You are wrong on so many levels. I will post refs when I get to a computer. High cholesterol is not linked to heart disease about 50% of people who have heart disease have high cholesterol and the other 50% don't have high cholesterol.

What do you mean the FDA isn't wrong? look up your statins and see if they lower your risk for heart disease or if they solely treat hypercholesterolemia. So they aren't wrong they have just fooled you into taking a med for the rest of your life that will not prevent heart disease.

Any alcohol will improve cholesterol ratios. While resveratrol is an amazing chemical (I take 200mg ed), it is the ethyl alcohol found in beer, wine, spirits etc that improves cholesterol ratios.

Artherosclerosis is not caused by cholesterol, it is a result of inflammation, ldl at any concentration will not cause inflammation. LDL is necessary for cholesterol transport to all of the cells in the body so they can maintain the integrity of their cellular membranes, so you can't lower it to 0 or else you age very quickly and die early. HDL carries cholesterol from cells back to the liver where the cholesterol is removed and made into bile and removed from the blood. You can however lower inflammation and totally prevent the formation of any artherosclerosis no matter what you cholesterol levels are. Blood pressure, blood glucose, CRP, ph, and homocysteine levels are for more relevant risk factors for heart disease.

Which resveratrol supplement do you use? I have to get my HDL up. The HRT is killing my ratios. Any other advise would help greatly

 

[Fastandfurious]

You are wrong on so many levels. I will post refs when I get to a computer. High cholesterol is not linked to heart disease about 50% of people who have heart disease have high cholesterol and the other 50% don't have high cholesterol.

What do you mean the FDA isn't wrong? look up your statins and see if they lower your risk for heart disease or if they solely treat hypercholesterolemia. So they aren't wrong they have just fooled you into taking a med for the rest of your life that will not prevent heart disease.

Any alcohol will improve cholesterol ratios. While resveratrol is an amazing chemical (I take 200mg ed), it is the ethyl alcohol found in beer, wine, spirits etc that improves cholesterol ratios.

Artherosclerosis is not caused by cholesterol, it is a result of inflammation, ldl at any concentration will not cause inflammation. LDL is necessary for cholesterol transport to all of the cells in the body so they can maintain the integrity of their cellular membranes, so you can't lower it to 0 or else you age very quickly and die early. HDL carries cholesterol from cells back to the liver where the cholesterol is removed and made into bile and removed from the blood. You can however lower inflammation and totally prevent the formation of any artherosclerosis no matter what you cholesterol levels are. Blood pressure, blood glucose, CRP, ph, and homocysteine levels are for more relevant risk factors for heart disease.

With today's way of life (smog,second hand smoking,food chemicals and additives,pesticides etc) it's impossible not to have inflammation.
The thing is,what can you do to reduce its consequences.
Of,course monitoring the inflammation and treating it is useful too.
But if you don't have around the necessary tool for inflammation to destroy you (cholesterol) then you reduce its role to secondary.

How much muscle can you build if you take 0 protein ? Not much,no matter how many grams of anabolics you might take.
You have to have the tools around for the (muscle) inflammation to work.

 

[Putin]

I dont know if anyone read this before but the article says there is a protein that measures the actual risk if you will have a heart attack. Says that the higher the level of this protein is, the higher your risk for heart attack. Total cholesterol didnt matter.

http://www.therubins.com/geninfo/beta.htm