Arimidex/Liquidex/Nolva During cycle

Alcatraz · Jan 22, 2007

I am curious if these chemicals are actually NEEDED during my cycle. My cycle will be:

Wks
1-12 600mg test eth
1-12 500mg deca
1-4 40mg dbol daily

followed by pct

I realize that these drugs are ant e's, and also reduce water retention. I have not begun to inorportate them, and don't know if it will be necessary.

My question: If I am OK with the water retention, and my nips aren't getting sore. Can I just run it without one of them? OR are there other negatives that won't be seen or felt?

Thanks

xcelbeyond · Jan 22, 2007

Everyone's sensitivity towards gyno is different. When I first started using AAS, if I'd have used what you're doing, I'd be guaranteed to get gyno. Did you know that anti-e's and aromastase inhibitors WON'T DO SQUAT for deca-induced gyno, which is progesterone related?!?!?!

Zomb131 · Jan 22, 2007

You always want Nolva on hand just in case of Gyno. And is also good to have w/ your current PCT. A-dex/liquidex are the same thing and if your good about the water retention then you don't need them.

Alcatraz · Jan 23, 2007

How would I counter the deca induced gyno? I have heard bad things about dostinex, and bromo is just too pricey through the supplier I found. How about winstrol?

The other question, would nolva keep me from adding too much extra fat? I would prefer to stay as lean as possible, and higher estrogen leads to fat storage right?

Zuke · Jan 23, 2007

Do your cycle and if your nips get unbareable......then use some Nolva. Otherwise stay away...they limit gains!!

Zomb131 · Jan 23, 2007

Alcatraz said:
The other question, would nolva keep me from adding too much extra fat? I would prefer to stay as lean as possible, and higher estrogen leads to fat storage right?

Nolva is not used for that. It's used to pervent/stop gyno. I heard it could hinder your gains. To prevent extra fat keep your diet clean.

Zomb131 · Jan 23, 2007

Alcatraz said:
How would I counter the deca induced gyno? I have heard bad things about dostinex, and bromo is just too pricey through the supplier I found. How about winstrol?

From: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1870

"Deca gyno is caused by progesterone - not estrogen - and airmidex or proviron wont help (nor will liquidex of tamoxifen for that matter)

RU-486 as well as certain hormone therapies that are used for trating breast cancer in women and post hysterectomies are the only "cures" - winny will help prevent it - run winny at 50mg/day for 4wks during or just after your deca and you will be fine - stop your deca a couple weeks before your test (that means run sus for 10wks not 5, yup that means buying more, and do deca wks 1-8)"

xcelbeyond · Jan 24, 2007

Zomb131 said:
winny will help prevent it - run winny at 50mg/day for 4wks during or just after your deca and you will be fine - stop your deca a couple weeks before your test (that means run sus for 10wks not 5, yup that means buying more, and do deca wks 1-8)"

The key word here is "help." Winny will compete for the progesterone receptor and nobody knows how much or to what degree. I'm relatively prone to estrogen-related gyno and taking Winny with tren seemed to keep it in check. But - - I've heard from others that it didn't do squat.