B/D Caught I/P..

[Big_O]

B/D has caught I/P Red handed flooding the market with fake B/D gear...

If you dont belive me go to www.elitefitness.com
the proof is all laid out in a very long thread.....By Anthony Roberts and B/D

 

[haze324]

How many post are you gonna have with the same topic????

 

[NuTsOe]

Go Take Your

BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE ELITE,FUCK ALL THAT HE SAID SHE SAID SHIT
SHOW SOME FUCKING PROOF BEFORE YOU OPEN THAT TRAPPPPPPP

 

[Big_O]

till i get everyones attention.....a scammer is the biggest piece of shit on this earth along with a rat....and this is for the guys who are frugal with there money....

I for one would love to know if someone is selling fake shit....I dont know about the rest of you guys but i work hard for my money as does everyone else...You dont belive it then hopefully you'll get burned too...

I also heard that alot of remailers are offering mods some free gear over at outlaw muscle just to keep things hush hush....

It'll be out in the open here in a day or 2...If you dont believe it...go ahead send your money to him....You were warned

 

[Kaiser]

I have to chime in here. I have heard this also, and have seen where IP representatives have admitted to being wrong in this situation. They have also stated they were scammed themselves and apoligized for fowarding. I cannot, at this time be definitive of who was right or wrong. But I can say that Alin is a legit distributor and all other legit distributors can be found by simply verifying their address here:

http://www.britishdragon.com/sellers/index.php


NOTICE: THERE IS NO DASH BETWEEN BRITISH AND DRAGON.

 

[rAJJIN]

I seen the list and It said very clearly That it was not the same
BritishDragon. Your making it out to be as if he is a scammer......
Get real Man...Ip has been doing this for 10 years. If you personaly dont like him then Dont Use Him!! Whats so hard about that.

Id Like to ask the staff to Let us the members have an Ip thread Where we can talk about it without this Knucklhead getting it locked up or deleted...
Just erase his messsages So We can talk about it and Decide for ourselves Like Grown ass Men.

 

[rAJJIN]

Theres a differance in Fake and counterfit Gear.
Ip has never sold Any fake gear I know of.
Who gives a damn if he used a counterfit "LabeL" as long as whats inside is real and dosed correctly. I can assure you Much of the stuff out there
is Not the originals but good copies, especially human grade stuff.

Now do I think what he did was right or is a good practice, No way!
Using there name like that is Not realy cool imo...But thats between Ip and BD!!

 

[terryd5150]

I don't think Big O is full of shit.

Guys, I think you should give Big O's posts more attention than you have. Perhaps you should read some of the following links before jumping to conclusions (please note even our own Massive G has posted in these threads.)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502826&page=1&pp=20

AND

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502908

Big O- You should have got with the mods with this before posting in the open forum; however, thanks for the warning.

I would like to add, I don't give a f_ck if the guy is a sponsor, donating member, how much he is helping with the whole MikeS situation, etc., if the guy/guys are selling you a product and falsely representing it as something else, then they are scamming you.

 

[Vespa103]

I think Rajin is making a very important point, what is in the package? That is what counts, secondly BD is underground anyway so counterfeit underground is like saying somebody knocked off your generic, As far as IP goes I think Lab tests are the only thing worth discussing, the man has been around for a decade and clearly people have seen results from his products, there has been a simular debate about his "branded" products before, but most of the "knocked off" companies are not legit anyway(Iranian, third world, Underground origin etc.) Where is his BD from I don't know, where is all the other BD stuff from nobody knows that either

Get something tested then we have something to discuss

 

[rAJJIN]

Guys, I think you should give Big O's posts more attention than you have. Perhaps you should read some of the following links before jumping to conclusions (please note even our own Massive G has posted in these threads.)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502826&page=1&pp=20

AND

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502908

Big O- You should have got with the mods with this before posting in the open forum; however, thanks for the warning.I would like to add, I don't give a f_ck if the guy is a sponsor, donating member, how much he is helping with the whole MikeS situation, etc.,

if the guy/guys are selling you a product and falsely representing it as something else, then they are scamming you.

BIGO hasnt mentioned or said anything we didnt already know
before he showed up filling the board with Ip is a scammer threads.
Weve been talking about it since yesterday.

Terry that is your opinion and everyone should be able to have there own opinion. Hell BigA told a guy weeks ago that his rwr suspension was Not an original but a copy...Its Not Breaking news Guys!
How do you know Any of the stuff you are getting is an "original"??
This is the black market your talking about.

I would also like to add to you TerryD
you are a peice a shit IMO for even muttering these words-
If you knew the owner and staff here you wouldnt even say
Such a bullshit thing
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"I would like to add, I don't give a f_ck if the guy is a sponsor, donating member, how much he is helping with the whole MikeS situation, etc., "
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[rAJJIN]

Also let me ask

Ip used there same name BUT made it clear (atleast how I read it)
it was not the same company and EVEN posted a url to the webiste...
ANYONE with half a brain would figure out there differant websites.

Now I remember not to long ago BritishDragon was claiming to be Human grade. So are they scammers for misleading us? even though the product was real and still dosed correct and contained the correct ingredients
does that make them Scammers? Ive been hearing for two years
There ALMOST Licensed and will be soon

Now im not trying to bash on them But lets keep it real.
Dont beleive everything you read and here on the internet.. Be wise enough to make a decision on your own without someone holding your hand all the time.
Obvioulsy if QV hasnt produced a product in Quite some time now
Im going to be Very skeptical that Im getting an "orignial"...

 

[rAJJIN]

Infact TerryD here is an old post by you YOURSELF!
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#26 07-11-2006, 04:15 AM
terryd5150
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BD at one time claimed on their web-site that they were a registered pharm company.


However, now they DO NOT claim to be pharmacuetical company. THEY ARE A UGL.


Not sure as to why they double-backed but....


As far as their gear, it is far thinner than pharm-grade. I guess they use either a different oil or EO, which is something you wouldn't find in true pharm gear.
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[terryd5150]

I would also like to add to you TerryD
you are a peice a shit IMO for even muttering these words-
If you knew the owner and staff here you wouldnt even say
Such a bullshit thing
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"I would like to add, I don't give a f_ck if the guy is a sponsor, donating member, how much he is helping with the whole MikeS situation, etc., "
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rAJ- You don't know me bro, why call me a piece of shit? (Isn't that flaming-directly calling another member of the board a name?) Because I state something that is against your opinion?

Just because someone who is crooked helps in kind does not mean he is not crooked. That is fact and not opinion. IP might be helping Mike to some degree but it does not change that he was/is selling you gear that is supposedly BD or Karachi Sus, etc and guess what... IT ISN'T. That is a scam.
God bless him for helping MikeS, but... the truth is the truth.

And why the attempt to discredit me about the BD post? That post was made because BD changed something on their website. They are not scamming you, they still sell the same stuff on the site that they have before, and they have lab tests to back it up- along with an approved supplier list so that you can check if a source is a scammmer. (BTW-I am neither for nor against BD, I don't like their gear)


The issue here isn't BD, it's that IP is selling fakes. The only way it would not have been a scam is if he told you beforehand that his products were knock-offs and not the real thing.


He may be helping MikeS out somewhat, but he is still a scammer.

 

[Anon4AReason]

my 2 cents. IP's QV is not original QV. also back in '02-03 when he was selling Ttokkyo, a few people knew he wasn't selling real TK either. The thing is most people who bought the stuff seemed to be happy with it, so I guess the real question is are you more concerned with a brand name or actual ingredients? Hell it wouldnt surprise me if IP's "generic/counterfeit" gear was dosed better than the originals.. he wouldn't have lasted as long as he has if was deliberately underdosing the products he sells. But I can see how people would be pissed about this whole mess, since a lot of consumers or so brand orientated, i'm sure they feel cheated.

 

[terryd5150]

.... So We can talk about it and Decide for ourselves Like Grown ass Men.

So grown ass men call each other names when someone does discuss a subject and then continue to make posts in an effort to discredit someone who has an opposing point of view?

 

[haze324]

Theres a differance in Fake and counterfit Gear.
Ip has never sold Any fake gear I know of.
Who gives a damn if he used a counterfit "LabeL" as long as whats inside is real and dosed correctly. I can assure you Much of the stuff out there
is Not the originals but good copies, especially human grade stuff.

Now do I think what he did was right or is a good practice, No way!
Using there name like that is Not realy cool imo...But thats between Ip and BD!!

Raj - my brother. I don't know why these guys don't understand. We can go buy VIAGRA from guys that sell it in diamond shape blue pills and no one calls it a scammer - they say "man thats a good deal on viagra" so now IP offers a "knock-off" or "generic" or whatever you want to call it of a well known product and although it is REAL gear he's scamming people.

Come on man. If he was selling Nikes in a Nike Box and said - these are put to gether in my garage but will still allow you to jump just as highl....would we call him a scammer for ripping off Nike??? No way man.

Its fucking CHINA people!!!!!!!!

This shit was talked about 2 days ago in an thread and now all of a sudden some jack ass wants to make 5 post about it. Call member bashing or flaming or whatever it needs to be called - but anyone who post 5 fucking threads about the same subject is a jack ass!!

 

[terryd5150]

.... I don't know, where is all the other BD stuff from nobody knows that either
Get something tested then we have something to discuss

You don't? You should, it is posted on their site, along with an approved supplier list. Let's not forget another approved source on here, Alin, also sells BD- although he is an approved supplier for BD.


As for the lab tests, see Massive G for those. This is a post he made in a thread at Elite:

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Where's the thread detailing this?

I got my ass almost flamed off Bolex in 2001 when I told people of the lab test results of some of IP's gear....




And just so you know I didn't make that up, here is a link to the exact thread he posted that comment in:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502908

 

[xcelbeyond]

I don't have time to follow this through.

So - - Deca Durabolin is a "TRADE" name that's copyrighted by a major pharm company (don't remember what one). So anybody that sells "Deca" is selling a "fake"?!?!?

Seems like there's a bit of sensationalism going on here.

 

[woody00]

me and my friends have been using ips dbols and winnies for close to 6 years. i know they are real! my friend gained 15lbs last yaer off of just 25mg of ip dbols.

 

[rAJJIN]

rAJ- You don't know me bro, why call me a piece of shit? (Isn't that flaming-directly calling another member of the board a name?) Because I state something that is against your opinion?

Just because someone who is crooked helps in kind does not mean he is not crooked. That is fact and not opinion. IP might be helping Mike to some degree but it does not change that he was/is selling you gear that is supposedly BD or Karachi Sus, etc and guess what... IT ISN'T. That is a scam.
God bless him for helping MikeS, but... the truth is the truth.

And why the attempt to discredit me about the BD post? That post was made because BD changed something on their website. They are not scamming you, they still sell the same stuff on the site that they have before, and they have lab tests to back it up- along with an approved supplier list so that you can check if a source is a scammmer. (BTW-I am neither for nor against BD, I don't like their gear)


The issue here isn't BD, it's that IP is selling fakes. The only way it would not have been a scam is if he told you beforehand that his products were knock-offs and not the real thing.


He may be helping MikeS out somewhat, but he is still a scammer.

Please expalin to me How or why MikeS name would even be brought into this thread??? Or Why you say you dont Give a F*uck if he is a donating member or approved sponsor?

I dont understand those comments? what does that have to do with
anything? Please explain.

And for the record I Dont use Bd or Ip gear either.
I have absoloutley nothing to do with either of them.

also you didnt explain.... why is it ok for Bd to have claimed to be Human grade? where do we draw the line?