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I had to think for a minute on this one, at first it just seemed obvious that you crushed your e2 levels by taking that adex (that you didn’t need), and that’s part of why you’re having a problem, but I don’t think it’s the whole story here. You’re taking masteron, anavar, and proviron, all of which bind to SHBG like crazy. Normally compounds that bind to SHBG are a good thing, because the more SHBG has been bound to by those compounds, the less test that can bind to it, and that allows higher free testosterone levels, which is really what we want, bound testosterone is fairly useless. Unfortunately, we all know you can have too much of a good thing, and I’m starting to think that has something to do with what’s going on here, at the very least it’s part of the problem.
SHBG and estrogen have a direct relationship, with higher estrogen raising SHBG levels, and low estrogen lowering SHBG levels. When you killed your estrogen, you lowered your SHBG levels beyond what’s normal, and what’s left is totally bound up with all these DHT based things you’re taking, so I see that being a problem. Endocrinology is a complicated motherfucker man, it’s all one big balancing act, and our goals are generally high test, low estrogen, and SHBG at a good level, hopefully with lots of free testosterone. That’s what blood work is for, so we can look at things like SHBG levels, the amount of free test to total test, E2 levels, etc, and determine what to change to provide the optimal levels of everything. Without blood work, you’re just guessing, and while educated guesses work in some cases, they don’t in all.
If you’ve been on since February, you’ve been on for around 4 months now, give or take a couple weeks, so anywhere between 16-20 weeks I’m guessing. I’m not sure how long of a cycle you’re planning on running, and I see that you’re 37, so I also don’t know if you take TRT level doses the rest of the year, if not, maybe that’s something you’ve looked into (hopefully you know what your numbers look like off cycle, you may be at the age where trt would be helpful). How much longer are you planning on running this, and what are your plans for after the cycle (are you going to run PCT, or are you just dropping your dose down to trt levels and cruising)?
Here’s what I’d do (if I was going to keep running the cycle, I’m assuming you’d like to continue as you haven’t said anything about ending it): First, I’d lose the anavar, it’s competing for SHBG, and at 30mg it’s not doing much anyway. Next, I’d up my test dose to ~750 a week for a few weeks, hopefully that’s enough to get some estrogen back in your blood, and when you start to feel your sex drive coming back, lower it back to the 500mg a week where it was at. If you’re taking 250mg 2x a week, just add a third shot, so basically eod with an extra day off at the end of the week. As far as the mast goes, I’m biased bc I fucking love the stuff, I never run test without it, so I’m going to say leave it. Any “anti-e” properties that mast has are very mild, but for me they’re usually good enough to keep me from having to run anything else (I keep anti-e stuff on hand just in case, but never really need it). When you took that adex, it stomped the fuck out of your estrogen man, and it takes a little time to come back, but it will. I know you were trying to prevent gyno, but adex is some strong shit, especially if you don’t need it (you didn’t). That said, if you feel better about dropping your mast completely til your estrogen levels come back, and add it back in once you’re feeling good again, that’s fine too. Mast always makes my already high sex drive even higher, so I think you’ll love the stuff once you have normal E2 levels again (and so will your gf lol). I’d say keep the mast though, whatever mild anti-e properties that it has are more like estrogen blocking, it doesn’t stop your body from producing estrogen, so the mast really isn’t your problem. Yes, it’s competing for SHBG like I said, but as long as you’re not taking proviron and anavar with it, that’s not a problem. As your E2 levels climb, so will your SHBG levels, and soon you’ll be back to normal.
This is all just my opinion of course, complete bro science as requested, I’m not a doctor, and I don’t play one on tv! Good luck man, and when you get your blood work lmk, I’d like to see how close I am on this (I doubt I’m very far off though...).
SHBG and estrogen have a direct relationship, with higher estrogen raising SHBG levels, and low estrogen lowering SHBG levels. When you killed your estrogen, you lowered your SHBG levels beyond what’s normal, and what’s left is totally bound up with all these DHT based things you’re taking, so I see that being a problem. Endocrinology is a complicated motherfucker man, it’s all one big balancing act, and our goals are generally high test, low estrogen, and SHBG at a good level, hopefully with lots of free testosterone. That’s what blood work is for, so we can look at things like SHBG levels, the amount of free test to total test, E2 levels, etc, and determine what to change to provide the optimal levels of everything. Without blood work, you’re just guessing, and while educated guesses work in some cases, they don’t in all.
If you’ve been on since February, you’ve been on for around 4 months now, give or take a couple weeks, so anywhere between 16-20 weeks I’m guessing. I’m not sure how long of a cycle you’re planning on running, and I see that you’re 37, so I also don’t know if you take TRT level doses the rest of the year, if not, maybe that’s something you’ve looked into (hopefully you know what your numbers look like off cycle, you may be at the age where trt would be helpful). How much longer are you planning on running this, and what are your plans for after the cycle (are you going to run PCT, or are you just dropping your dose down to trt levels and cruising)?
Here’s what I’d do (if I was going to keep running the cycle, I’m assuming you’d like to continue as you haven’t said anything about ending it): First, I’d lose the anavar, it’s competing for SHBG, and at 30mg it’s not doing much anyway. Next, I’d up my test dose to ~750 a week for a few weeks, hopefully that’s enough to get some estrogen back in your blood, and when you start to feel your sex drive coming back, lower it back to the 500mg a week where it was at. If you’re taking 250mg 2x a week, just add a third shot, so basically eod with an extra day off at the end of the week. As far as the mast goes, I’m biased bc I fucking love the stuff, I never run test without it, so I’m going to say leave it. Any “anti-e” properties that mast has are very mild, but for me they’re usually good enough to keep me from having to run anything else (I keep anti-e stuff on hand just in case, but never really need it). When you took that adex, it stomped the fuck out of your estrogen man, and it takes a little time to come back, but it will. I know you were trying to prevent gyno, but adex is some strong shit, especially if you don’t need it (you didn’t). That said, if you feel better about dropping your mast completely til your estrogen levels come back, and add it back in once you’re feeling good again, that’s fine too. Mast always makes my already high sex drive even higher, so I think you’ll love the stuff once you have normal E2 levels again (and so will your gf lol). I’d say keep the mast though, whatever mild anti-e properties that it has are more like estrogen blocking, it doesn’t stop your body from producing estrogen, so the mast really isn’t your problem. Yes, it’s competing for SHBG like I said, but as long as you’re not taking proviron and anavar with it, that’s not a problem. As your E2 levels climb, so will your SHBG levels, and soon you’ll be back to normal.
This is all just my opinion of course, complete bro science as requested, I’m not a doctor, and I don’t play one on tv! Good luck man, and when you get your blood work lmk, I’d like to see how close I am on this (I doubt I’m very far off though...).
yes its been covered a thousand times before but then again this is a board where people post stuff, not a library, right?
