Carb loading for show prep- Discussion!

[get it in ya]

i will say this.....

the best conditioned person in my class was peeled weeks prior coasting in..... he loaded hard.... then shitloaded that morning and with TONS of sodium and fat.... hes the reason i panicked back stage looking at his condition.... and why i got so much worse lol

im staying in my corner next time and ignoring everyone til stage time

do you realize you talk about yourself a lot?

 

[FutureFreak]

Actually progesterone is a "diuretic" as it acts like spirolactone/aldactone, but once again will increase cortisol, and block androgen receptors.

It is simply not the way I would want to lose water -- If I was NOT 3-dimensional, not bubbly, and a white guy, with flat muscle bellies

Great for women that abused AAS in past and need to regrow hair!

-FF

 

[Latson]

MP- You always fascinate me. Very respected. I too noticed too many people relying on too much shit and making too many changes the final week....WHY! Makes no sense at all

 

[AshopRep]

Though I give it to you that most Euro competitors FEEL THE NEED to use spironolactone and actually do, you obviously haven't attended many Euro shows backstage where a lot of guys collapse from massive abuse of diuretic COMBOS, furosemide or bumetanide being most often the main culprit in the mix. Scary, in fact.

That's why I don't use diuretics. It scares me to think a year of hard work could be lost because I cramp up or fall out.

 

[Rainmanisback]

Great Thead by Matt Porter - Contest prep, the final week

When you are in great condition a few weeks before a contest and have done everything in your power to be looking great without any unnecessary manipulations -- you technically should be able to coast into the day of the show.

However --- I still hear people using depletion methods along with sodium and carb manipulations starting 10 days out or so.....REALLY!?!?! You either look good or not at 10 days out and are only asking for trouble if doing this.

I witnessed a guy who could have won an overall this last Saturday lose by doing manipulations that were completely uncalled for.

I will say this --- Diuretics are NOT mandatory and you can be ultra dry without them, but choosing the RIGHT diuretic can definitely be an "insurance policy" in a sense.

I only feel comfortable advocating dyazide (triameterine/HCTZ) which is potassium sparing and acts very fast upon using. 1/2 tabs are all that is needed the evening before show time. It's just icing on the cake.

I still cannot figure out why guru's / competitors insist on using Aldactone for diuretic properties??? It's a friggin ANTI-ANDROGEN that is not a diuretic but an aldosterone blocker that takes 3-4 days to build up in blood.

Yet prep coaches will sometimes throw this in 1-2 days out which is really not adequate time for it to even work properly. Using aldactone is favored because it is considered "safe" and potassium sparing. However -- once this Androgen Blocker builds up in the blood --- chances are you may go very flat. Once aldosterone is blocked --- "shitload" on all the bacon burgers you want because it wont fill you because the aldosterone is now blocked and vascularity from increased blood pressure is non existent.

So use dyazide or nothing at all.

As for Sodium and carbs should REMAIN pretty much the same all during the final week --- and perhaps lowering sodium 1 day out is really as "extreme"as it should get. Carbs by that time are most likely low and you are looking dry and full due to high water and high sodium.

For carb loading --- that is something that can be done 1 day out or the morning of the show. Trust me --- you do not need 3 days of 800g / 1000g/ and 600g of carbs for weds, thurs and fri!!!!

That is asking for trouble! Most people fail to realize that you store anywhere from 175-250g in your liver , and anywhere from 375-500 as muscle glycogen.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say you are bigger than average (225lbs ripped) and are "depleted" so you now might be able to store more than that ---so instead if approximately 500-750g of glycogen,,,, you can top out at 1000g.

I would rather be 80% "full" and dry as all hell, then to push the envelope from 3000 grams of yams for 3 days!!!!

Trust me, high water and high sodium will keep you NOT flat.

Summation:

Be in shape 2 weeks out
keep water high and sodium high until friday before show
If using an "insurance policy" (diuretic) opt for dyazide only
Do not load carbs for 3 days to astronomical amounts
Use 1 day or day of show to load carbs and dry out simultaneously.

-Matt Porter aka FutureFreak

Great post mate thanks

 

[Rainmanisback]

Have you done shows without a diuretic?

I have with no problems! F*&^k diuretics... that shit almost killed me once

 

[Rainmanisback]

That's why I don't use diuretics. It scares me to think a year of hard work could be lost because I cramp up or fall out.

I cramped out so bad on my abs I thought that was it

 

[cm]

For carb loading --- that is something that can be done 1 day out or the morning of the show. Trust me --- you do not need 3 days of 800g / 1000g/ and 600g of carbs for weds, thurs and fri!!!!




so true, so true

 

[AshopRep]

I have with no problems! F*&^k diuretics... that shit almost killed me once

I'm glad you made it.

 

[bodyenergy]

Great Thead by Matt Porter - Contest prep, the final week

When you are in great condition a few weeks before a contest and have done everything in your power to be looking great without any unnecessary manipulations -- you technically should be able to coast into the day of the show.

However --- I still hear people using depletion methods along with sodium and carb manipulations starting 10 days out or so.....REALLY!?!?! You either look good or not at 10 days out and are only asking for trouble if doing this.

I witnessed a guy who could have won an overall this last Saturday lose by doing manipulations that were completely uncalled for.

I will say this --- Diuretics are NOT mandatory and you can be ultra dry without them, but choosing the RIGHT diuretic can definitely be an "insurance policy" in a sense.

I only feel comfortable advocating dyazide (triameterine/HCTZ) which is potassium sparing and acts very fast upon using. 1/2 tabs are all that is needed the evening before show time. It's just icing on the cake.

I still cannot figure out why guru's / competitors insist on using Aldactone for diuretic properties??? It's a friggin ANTI-ANDROGEN that is not a diuretic but an aldosterone blocker that takes 3-4 days to build up in blood.

Yet prep coaches will sometimes throw this in 1-2 days out which is really not adequate time for it to even work properly. Using aldactone is favored because it is considered "safe" and potassium sparing. However -- once this Androgen Blocker builds up in the blood --- chances are you may go very flat. Once aldosterone is blocked --- "shitload" on all the bacon burgers you want because it wont fill you because the aldosterone is now blocked and vascularity from increased blood pressure is non existent.

So use dyazide or nothing at all.

As for Sodium and carbs should REMAIN pretty much the same all during the final week --- and perhaps lowering sodium 1 day out is really as "extreme"as it should get. Carbs by that time are most likely low and you are looking dry and full due to high water and high sodium.

For carb loading --- that is something that can be done 1 day out or the morning of the show. Trust me --- you do not need 3 days of 800g / 1000g/ and 600g of carbs for weds, thurs and fri!!!!

That is asking for trouble! Most people fail to realize that you store anywhere from 175-250g in your liver , and anywhere from 375-500 as muscle glycogen.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt and say you are bigger than average (225lbs ripped) and are "depleted" so you now might be able to store more than that ---so instead if approximately 500-750g of glycogen,,,, you can top out at 1000g.

I would rather be 80% "full" and dry as all hell, then to push the envelope from 3000 grams of yams for 3 days!!!!

Trust me, high water and high sodium will keep you NOT flat.

Summation:

Be in shape 2 weeks out
keep water high and sodium high until friday before show
If using an "insurance policy" (diuretic) opt for dyazide only
Do not load carbs for 3 days to astronomical amounts
Use 1 day or day of show to load carbs and dry out simultaneously.

-Matt Porter aka FutureFreak

Ok what i do not understood is high sodium and high water till friday than stop water and sodium or lower them?

 

[beastmode121]

Ok what i do not understood is high sodium and high water till friday than stop water and sodium or lower them?

High water till bed time Friday before show and pre judging, 3-4 gallons. every time you wake up to piss, eat few rice cakes. Cut sodium one day out then load it Saturday morning before prejudging.


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[bodyenergy]

High water till bed time Friday before show and pre judging, 3-4 gallons. every time you wake up to piss, eat few rice cakes. Cut sodium one day out then load it Saturday morning before prejudging.


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Saturday morning or saturday some hours before PJ cuz i have to compete in the next 5 weeks and the comp is in the evening

 

[beastmode121]

When's pj? and whens night show ?


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[bodyenergy]

When's pj? and whens night show ?


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The show is 15 th november saturday at 8-12pm pj and show al togheter
So i think to drop out water at 8pm on friday
Take dyazide on friday at 6pm half
And other half around 2am when i will wake up to piss
Friday at 4pm drop out sodium high from 10 days 4-5 gr.
Put again sodium with carbo on saturday 3 hours from pj.
Necessary to have a load of potassium??

 

[bodyenergy]

I prefer to use Dyazide of this effect.

 

[AshopRep]

Theres no need for diuretics if you are lean enough

 

[bodyenergy]

Yes depend the condition the day before

 

[bodyenergy]

I have unclear one thing guys.
If i drop out sodium 24hr before show and prej is a good protocol to ad again it with junk food such a pizza etc.. 4 hours before prej?
Water is high till friday evening drol.it 24hr be4 prej as well.
Or keep some during the comp day??

 

[Bomber72]

I've always carb depleted pre-show. Maybe I've been doing it wrong?...

 

[beastmode121]

I have unclear one thing guys.

If i drop out sodium 24hr before show and prej is a good protocol to ad again it with junk food such a pizza etc.. 4 hours before prej?

Water is high till friday evening drol.it 24hr be4 prej as well.

Or keep some during the comp day??

Please don't eat pizza prejudging. You'll be thirsty as hell and probably bloated. just have a sub or some steak eggs and potatos maybe?
Matt advises to cut sodium 24 hrs.. Soooo I assume You could easily carb up Saturday morning all the way to the show when water shut off and introduce sodium 4-5 hours before pj.. I'm just thinking loud.. Trail and error bro or just hire Matt


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