cycle and gyno help

[viperguts]

I recently was talked into doing the hcg diet. 125 ui per day and low calories.
Well, I am prone to gyno so i decided to start clomid to take throughout the 21 days I would be on the diet. I started clomid 2 days before I was gonna start the hcg diet. Well the clomid alone actually worsened my gyno from another cycle that I had started and finished about 6 months earlier. I am not being paranoid as I had no idea that clomid could do this. I'm guessing that nolvadex would do this to me as well. So, if I were to take letro or arimidex there would be nothing i could do to prevent the rebound when i stopped. I have 4 bottles of aromasin 10mg and 30 pills each from THAT. I also have over 1 60ml bottle from a board sponsor. I would mention the name but Im not sure that its allowed. Anyway my thinking is that i can only do aromasin starting a week before and using during and as pct.
This is what my planned cycle will be:
wk 1-12 500 mg test e
wk 6-10 50 mg winstrol ed--not sure of the exact timing i will use for winny
aromasin 20mg wk 0-16

Now my only problem would come from the aromasin not being real or potent as the dosing is supposed to be.
Depending on bodyfat at the end of the cycle Ive considered taking
wk 13-18 250 test e to spare some muscle loss if further dieting is needed.
and extending the aromasin usage of course.
How effective would this be at causing zero additional growth is gyno that I already have as I am extremely prone to it? I have done up to 750mg sust 250 in a week and didnt get gyno symptoms but then used either dbol or anadrol that caused gyno. I had thought it was tbol but it was obviously not and now that i have gyno I need to keep it in check and not getting any worse. I am currently 5'6" 190 and plan to get down to 160-165 before I start. I dont know my bodyfat percentage but I start getting my 6 pack as I get down to 175ish and have no visible fat at 160. Try not to flame me, just give me some suggestions. I was originally under 120 at this same height so I have made a lot of progress without sups, It just seems as if a lean 160 is hard for me to get past naturally. btw im in my 30's.
thanks for any help

 

[pesty4077]

I recently was talked into doing the hcg diet. 125 ui per day and low calories.
Well, I am prone to gyno so i decided to start clomid to take throughout the 21 days I would be on the diet. I started clomid 2 days before I was gonna start the hcg diet. Well the clomid alone actually worsened my gyno from another cycle that I had started and finished about 6 months earlier. I am not being paranoid as I had no idea that clomid could do this. I'm guessing that nolvadex would do this to me as well. So, if I were to take letro or arimidex there would be nothing i could do to prevent the rebound when i stopped. I have 4 bottles of aromasin 10mg and 30 pills each from THAT. I also have over 1 60ml bottle from a board sponsor. I would mention the name but Im not sure that its allowed. Anyway my thinking is that i can only do aromasin starting a week before and using during and as pct.
This is what my planned cycle will be:
wk 1-12 500 mg test e
wk 6-10 50 mg winstrol ed--not sure of the exact timing i will use for winny
aromasin 20mg wk 0-16

Now my only problem would come from the aromasin not being real or potent as the dosing is supposed to be.
Depending on bodyfat at the end of the cycle Ive considered taking
wk 13-18 250 test e to spare some muscle loss if further dieting is needed.
and extending the aromasin usage of course.
How effective would this be at causing zero additional growth is gyno that I already have as I am extremely prone to it? I have done up to 750mg sust 250 in a week and didnt get gyno symptoms but then used either dbol or anadrol that caused gyno. I had thought it was tbol but it was obviously not and now that i have gyno I need to keep it in check and not getting any worse. I am currently 5'6" 190 and plan to get down to 160-165 before I start. I dont know my bodyfat percentage but I start getting my 6 pack as I get down to 175ish and have no visible fat at 160. Try not to flame me, just give me some suggestions. I was originally under 120 at this same height so I have made a lot of progress without sups, It just seems as if a lean 160 is hard for me to get past naturally. btw im in my 30's.
thanks for any help

OK, I won't flame you for that HCG Diet, but it is awful. I would suggest dropping the Winstrol and going with Masteron at 100mg EOD throughout cycle. 500mg of test is not bad. You should have taken Novadex with that HCG to combat Gyno. If it is real, 10 mg of Aromasin a day is fine through out cycle. Week 13-16 should be PCT and not more test.

 

[viperguts]

thanks for your reply, i never actually started the hcg diet as the clomid alone worsened my gyno and I do not want that any worse so I am not going to do the hcg diet. i will look into getting some masteron. I have considered using it as well.
But since clomid aggravates my gyno, which is annoying to say the least, wouldn't be reasonable to think that nolvadex would aggravate it as well in my case.
thanks

 

[Druss]

HCG diet was invented by a Dr Simeons in the 50's... After promoting the diet for a good 10 years he denounced it, saying cumulative research indicated that it was dangerous to the health of internal organs. In the 90's it was revived by a convicted guru fraud artist named Kevin Trudeau.

Most independent, peer-reviewed studies of the hCG diet have shown no difference in weight loss between subjects on a low-calorie diet who received hCG injections and subjects who received a placebo.

as for your gyno if its tren gyno you would be using the wrong drugs to treat it, estrogen gyno and progesteron gyno are not treated the same way.

 

[pesty4077]

thanks for your reply, i never actually started the hcg diet as the clomid alone worsened my gyno and I do not want that any worse so I am not going to do the hcg diet. i will look into getting some masteron. I have considered using it as well.
But since clomid aggravates my gyno, which is annoying to say the least, wouldn't be reasonable to think that nolvadex would aggravate it as well in my case.
thanks

Novadex was made to fight breast cancer originally. It is a Sarm and will block the receptors for gyno. An AI like Letro will go one step further and help eliminate the gyno, to a certain extent.

 

[pesty4077]

HCG diet was invented by a Dr Simeons in the 50's... After promoting the diet for a good 10 years he denounced it, saying cumulative research indicated that it was dangerous to the health of internal organs. In the 90's it was revived by a convicted guru fraud artist named Kevin Trudeau.

Most independent, peer-reviewed studies of the hCG diet have shown no difference in weight loss between subjects on a low-calorie diet who received hCG injections and subjects who received a placebo.

as for your gyno if its tren gyno you would be using the wrong drugs to treat it, estrogen gyno and progesteron gyno are not treated the same way.

Correct, tren and deca both are progesterones and increase prolactin. If it is just test arimdex or aromasin work fine.

 

[tenny]

Novadex was made to fight breast cancer originally. It is a Sarm and will block the receptors for gyno. An AI like Letro will go one step further and help eliminate the gyno, to a certain extent.

exactly right