Cycle Help

[want2bebig]

So first off I have been reading all the info on here and you guys are great. I want to start off by saying that this is for more of a post to see if you guys agree with me or can maybe help me tweak this cycle it.

Im going to start off with my stats right now.
6'2
207
16% BF
I play Rugby

Training
Right now i am doing a 5 day split

1. Chest
2. Back
3. Arms
4. Shoulders
5. Legs

Sample Diet Day
(Morning)
Protein Shake (25 grams protien)
3 Egg Whites
2 Pieces of Toast

(Snack)
Peanut Butter and Banana
Protien Shakes

Lunch
10 Oz of chicken
Brown Rice
Broccoli

Snack
Meal Replacement Shake

Dinner
10 oz some kind of meat
large salad
some kind of veggie

Now to the cycle
Week 1-12 Test E 50 mg ED
Week 1-12 Eq 400 mg/ week
Winny 6-12 400 mg/week

The usual PCT

What i am trying to gain from this is mainly strength and solid wieght. I do not want to get bulky because of rugby and I train Plyometrics and cardio so much that I want to keep my speed up. Any comments would be great.

 

[tenny]

well......by the looks of your thread

and

reading your very first sentence

you HAVE NOT been reading

hope this helps

 

[j-bol]

hey bro. i think maybe you should focus on ur diet a lil bit. i could be wrong but id venture to say you've never done a cycle.. 3 meals and 2 snacks? that's not sufficient i think you can reach your goals in diet alone Honest truth. and if you don't want to listen. please just take the whinny out if you read anything about it you would know why especially playing a contact sport.. u play backyard rugby or for a college?

 

[Benzy]

well......by the looks of your thread

and

reading your very first sentence

you HAVE NOT been reading

hope this helps

Give the guy some help. Why post just to post nonsense. Maybe he has been reading and that's what he took away from things. People will read something and pull different things away from it. We can tell who are the smart ones here and not I guess by the posting.

Anyway, I would suggest really working on your diet just a little bit more before you start your cycle. Try to get to 14-12% bf first. Then also up that breakfast more. Your body has just been pounded on during the night recovering and your body needs this to really kick start and get everything moving in the right direction. The rest of the meals don't seem that bad. I would suggest adding some more shakes if you can. Calories don't mean anything. Watch that protein and the macro-nutrients.

On your workout you should only be working out 3-4 days a week and every other day at best. You are not giving your body ample time to recover and actually over training. Which will result in the muscle burning fat around the muscle and making it appear smaller not larger. Which is what you want I am assuming. Not bulky but larger is your goal correct?

Think of it this way.... always figure in secondary muscles.

1. Chest - Tri's, Shoulders, Lats, Forearms, Abs
2. Back - Bi's, Chest, Shoulders, Forearms, Abs
3. Arms - Shoulders, Chest, Back,abs Depending on what you are doing
4. Shoulders - Bi's, Tris, Forearms, abs
5. Legs - Back, abs,

Now go back and look at your workout and tell me you are getting enough rest! You are not my friend. I hope I could help you out and give you direction because we all need it! Even me!

 

[pesty4077]

Give the guy some help. Why post just to post nonsense. Maybe he has been reading and that's what he took away from things. People will read something and pull different things away from it. We can tell who are the smart ones here and not I guess by the posting.

Anyway, I would suggest really working on your diet just a little bit more before you start your cycle. Try to get to 14-12% bf first. Then also up that breakfast more. Your body has just been pounded on during the night recovering and your body needs this to really kick start and get everything moving in the right direction. The rest of the meals don't seem that bad. I would suggest adding some more shakes if you can. Calories don't mean anything. Watch that protein and the macro-nutrients.

On your workout you should only be working out 3-4 days a week and every other day at best. You are not giving your body ample time to recover and actually over training. Which will result in the muscle burning fat around the muscle and making it appear smaller not larger. Which is what you want I am assuming. Not bulky but larger is your goal correct?

Think of it this way.... always figure in secondary muscles.

1. Chest - Tri's, Shoulders, Lats, Forearms, Abs
2. Back - Bi's, Chest, Shoulders, Forearms, Abs
3. Arms - Shoulders, Chest, Back,abs Depending on what you are doing
4. Shoulders - Bi's, Tris, Forearms, abs
5. Legs - Back, abs,

Now go back and look at your workout and tell me you are getting enough rest! You are not my friend. I hope I could help you out and give you direction because we all need it! Even me!

Actually, I highlighted 2 areas I disagree. First of all training 5 days a week is very effective, when training 1 bodypart. Alot of pros train this way. I train this way m-back, t-shoulders, w-off, th-legs, fr-chest, sa-arms. This is how I trained to put on 15 pounds of muscle. And I totally disagree about calories not mattering. If you don't eat enough, you won't grow. If you eat too much and don't burn it off, you get fat.

 

[dugout]

Drop the winstrol because you play contact sports! test-E dosnt need to done but once a week at the most twice! Its a long ester, prop short ester ED or EOD.
Some it up, Pick your days example mon and thurs do a shot. I dont mg your test is but 50 ml a day is 350 a week most EQ is 200 mg. Most test E is 250 or 300 mg. So aprox .75 ml of test and 1ml of eq. Twice a week! Do the math on the mg on the bottle

 

[200mg/ml]

you're on the right track

It is easy to pick apart a guys diet/training. Bottom line is you got a reasonable dose of anabolics, a clean diet(maybe up it by one meal a day), and you are training like a beast. Make sure your sleep and fluid intake is on point. Make adjustments as needed. I bet you wil reach your strength/speed goals.

 

[Benzy]

Actually, I highlighted 2 areas I disagree. First of all training 5 days a week is very effective, when training 1 bodypart. Alot of pros train this way. I train this way m-back, t-shoulders, w-off, th-legs, fr-chest, sa-arms. This is how I trained to put on 15 pounds of muscle. And I totally disagree about calories not mattering. If you don't eat enough, you won't grow. If you eat too much and don't burn it off, you get fat.

Everyone is always entitled to their own opinion. May I ask your what your stats are? I'm curious if you are really building muscle at that point or really burning the fat around the muscle and adding weight somewhere else with that training unless you are a pro. The impact needed to hit a muscle and stress it out keeps growing so you have to keep changing and adapting your workouts but still unless someone is at the pro level, and when I mean pro I mean it's their ONLY job so they can dedicate proper time towards recovery such as daily massages and things such as that. Other wise you are not giving your body ample time. This really shouldn't be argued because our body's are not complex when it comes to building muscle. Some people respond to different exercised but that's only because they are not use to them while others are. 99% of people I see on a daily basis over train. Then the newbie walks into the gym 3 days a week and does heavy one working set of each thing and blows up. Not because he just started working out it's because he is lifting logically and not ripping things about and trying to create a complex formula on how to get big. The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

PS. Found your stats..

 

[superman18]

make sure u get arimidex because your body fat is a bit high. I dont see the need of eq 500 test e would be efficient.

 

[want2bebig]

guys thanks so much for the feedback. I see what you guys mean about the ample rest but I feel with how I have my training broken down that I am not over doing it. I go into the gym on a mission and i am in there for anywhere from 45 mins- 1 hour. I am doing cardio and plyos through my team. I am hoping to make the US team this upcoming season but I need a little more strength and size. I was thinking about dropping the winny just because I hav eread so much about joint problems but then thought about keeping it because other people say it doesnt bother them. This would be my first cycle of real gear. I have take pro hormones though before. Thank you guys for all the feedback.

Also I was thinking about adding a casein shake before bed just because its a longer lasting protien unless you guys have any other ideas.

 

[tenny]

i dont see how ones STATS has to do with anything!!!

 

[nspaletta]

by the looks of it bud you need quite a bit of work else where before you begin to think about a cycle. first imo you need to up your calories and tweak your diet a bit. add at least one more solid meal in there during the afternoon and as pesty said with added calories you are gonna want to do some moderate cardio about 3x a week. training wise you seem ok just listen to your body and see how it reacts to what you are doin. after all this cycle wise you have no reason to inject test e ed, test prop is for ed. test e you would do 500mg/week split into two pins, like mon and thur lets say. and since this is your first cycle i believe then just stick to test.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Hey Bro,

Make sure you cut out the winny, It make tendons hard and brittle. And you dont want that. I play rugby and just did my ACL sux hard. You dont want this.
And no i was not on any winny i was clean.

 

[nickman1978]

Give the guy some help. Why post just to post nonsense.


x2 ...

 

[nickman1978]

i dont see how ones STATS has to do with anything!!!

Then WHY is everyone always saying "what are your stats"? ...

just saying ......

 

[richiec]

Then WHY is everyone always saying "what are your stats"? ...

just saying ......

the reason this guy aksed for stats is because he didn't think what Pesty was saying was relevant because he was unsure of his "stats". When asking for advice on this, the person looking for advice would be the one to give stats so the people answering could be more helpful as to what size person they are working with. Pesty's stats are irrelevant in this case, he posted an answer to help the guy, and I believe that is what Tenny was saying.