DECA for my osteoarthritis?

[kid1dakota]

good info ,aging def. sucks!

 

[EasyEJL]

i'm going to see if I can find a shop that will ship the equine version

 

[Muay Thai]

i know you're a hard west coast thug and all but there's no need for that... leave that nonsense on getbig or bb.com



show me where deca increases synovial fluid.:food-:mil

look stick to the facts and keep your personal innuendos to yourself

go do your own research i left you the links im not doing your legwork you should have done that before you touched aas


here bro, enlighten yourself, get LOST in knowledge : http://www.google.com/search?source...S303&q=nandrolone+inducing+collagen+synthesis

 

[Muay Thai]

becuase most of us are aware that winny makes your tendon fibers so strong that they intermesh (crosshatch) and become MORE BRITTLE hence more prone to degradation

you make it so easy

according to what you said, why cant he take highly anabolic winny for his joints then? or any anabolics?

show me some research done on nandrolone on its action on GR and PR and estrogen response and your claim of joint fluid secretion please....

easy's study sums up nandrolone as 'anabolic steroids' in the end, that means they just picked nandrolone for no good reason and lumping it as anabolics. they didnt specifically said only nandrlone does this or that, i would like to see different anabolics used to test for collagen synthesis,,,you probably wont find it.

also what do you think your body does when one side of hormone gets spiked super high? have you thought of progesterone agonism, antagonism, cortisol production and how AAS affects it, and how progesterone can be metabolized into cortisol, does nandrolone or other progestin break down to cortisol? deca causes bloating and gyno, is it estrogen or both estrogen and cortisol related? what about binding proteins such as cbg, shbg? PR, GR, ER they all can be used by T, E, P, C molecules to be occupied all depends on the amount of whats floating nearby. I only get zits from progestins, tren or deca,,,not estrogen related because i have done high dose t and got bloated but never acne like tren/deca,,what else causes acne? stress. CRH, ACTH cortisol malfunction? find a cure for acne you will be a billionaire.

not that simple.

machola who knows really? you could be right or wrong. not that many people will be wiilling to study specific effects, there are far more studies done on aas detection than its action,,,due to legality and all the forms you have to fill out to obtain test samples and shit.

forget about all this nit picking shit and just do it!

hahahhah whatever that means.

 

[machola]

look stick to the facts and keep your personal innuendos to yourself

go do your own research i left you the links im not doing your legwork you should have done that before you touched aas


here bro, enlighten yourself, get LOST in knowledge : http://www.google.com/search?source...S303&q=nandrolone+inducing+collagen+synthesis

ha. not worth my time...

 

[Newman]

I followed Muay Thais' search link & dug around some. There were a few interesting results there.

 

[Muay Thai]

I followed Muay Thais' search link & dug around some. There were a few interesting results there.

if you want pm me for more bro i have TONS i onlyhave a break today from 11-1230pm if i have a chanecf ill post more if not pm me

 

[Muay Thai]

ha. not worth my time...

lol at least youre honest

 

[Newman]

if you want pm me for more bro i have TONS i onlyhave a break today from 11-1230pm if i have a chanecf ill post more if not pm me

I tried PMing you bro, but your box is full.

 

[Michael]

Newman bro just read it, wow sounds amazing. Thanks for info EasyEJL. Hope to get some asap.

 

[Muay Thai]

I tried PMing you bro, but your box is full.

i cleared it bro

on a side note

most human beings develop some form of osteoarthritis throughout their life

 

[fatcat669]

for anyone interested ive ordered some adequan and can update them on my progress on it if it interests them. the place i got it from did not ask for a Rx so hopefully it comes through. I'm also going to run some Alflutop which I've read is not as effective. probably run it consecutively.

i Don't think the human-grade version is available in North America...from what i hear on adequan's effectiveness, it would probably take away from too many Advil and Tylenol sales lol!

 

[repmks]

for anyone interested ive ordered some adequan and can update them on my progress on it if it interests them. the place i got it from did not ask for a Rx so hopefully it comes through. I'm also going to run some Alflutop which I've read is not as effective. probably run it consecutively.

i Don't think the human-grade version is available in North America...from what i hear on adequan's effectiveness, it would probably take away from too many Advil and Tylenol sales lol!

im interested. i have some nagging injuries.

 

[Newman]

I Don't think the human-grade version is available in North America...from what I hear on adequan's effectiveness, it would probably take away from too many Advil and Tylenol sales lol!

Actually, you want to hear the sad truth of it?

After reading here about Arteparon (the human version of Adequan), I was super excited, so I started doing some digging around, but couldn't find anything about who manufactures it.

I kept digging & finally got through to a senior pharmacist at a big corporation & he explained what happened to arteparon:

Apparently, there were 2 deaths that happened soon after Arteparon was first approved in Europe. One was an elderly diabetic lady who succombed to septicemia, most likely related to he diabetes. The other was an elderly man who had a lethal reaction, supposedly because of the Atreparon acting with another medication that the man was already taking. This happened right after the whole thalidamide thing happened, so the European public & their media were over-sensitive to the issue of drug safety & the maker of Atreparon withdrew it from the market.

So, from 2 deaths, one practically unrelated to arteparon & the other from a preventable drug reaction, one of humanitys' greatest tools in the fight against arthritis was lost.

I asked the pharmacist why nobody else ever tried getting Arteparon approved here in North America & he said there was no significant incentive. Looking at what horny & flacid old men are willing to pay Pfizer for Viagra, I think he's 100% wrong. I think most arthritis sufferers would pay a generous ransom to get freedom from joint pain.

 

[Newman]

I Don't think the human-grade version is available in North America...from what I hear on adequan's effectiveness, it would probably take away from too many Advil and Tylenol sales lol!

Actually, you want to hear the sad truth of it?

After reading here about Arteparon (the human version of Adequan), I was super excited, so I started doing some digging around, but couldn't find anything about who manufactures it.

I kept digging & finally got through to a senior pharmacist at a big corporation & he explained what happened to arteparon:

Apparently, there were 2 deaths that happened soon after Arteparon was first approved in Europe. One was an elderly diabetic lady who succombed to septicemia, most likely related to he diabetes. The other was an elderly man who had a lethal reaction, supposedly because of the Atreparon acting with another medication that the man was already taking. This happened right after the whole thalidamide thing happened, so the European public & their media were over-sensitive to the issue of drug safety & the maker of Atreparon withdrew it from the market.

So, from 2 deaths, one practically unrelated to arteparon & the other from a preventable drug reaction, one of humanitys' greatest tools in the fight against arthritis was lost.

I asked the pharmacist why nobody else ever tried getting Arteparon approved here in North America & he said there was no significant incentive. Looking at what horny & flacid old men are willing to pay Pfizer for Viagra, I think he's 100% wrong. I think most arthritis sufferers would pay a generous ransom to get freedom from joint pain.

 

[Michael]

Adequan

Just ordered some, if you don't hear from me again i'm dead. Lol. Seriously though i hope it comes.

 

[bodysculpt]

subbed

 

[EasyEJL]

to add to that, both deaths were from intraarticullar injections, not IM.

 

[machola]

they took that stuff off the market in europe. it sounds dangerous and ineffective to me but who knows. good luck. https://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/122/11/874

Several heparinoids have been shown to modify osteoarthritis in animal models of the disease [2-4]. Glycosaminoglycan polysulfate (Arteparon; an extract of bovine tracheal and bronchial cartilage) and glycosaminoglycan peptide complex (Rumalon; an extract of calf cartilage and bone marrow) contain chondroitin-4-sulfate, chondroitin-6-sulfate, and peptides. Both stimulate cartilage matrix synthesis and have activities as protease inhibitors. Sodium pentosan polysulfate (a polysaccharide sulfate ester prepared from beech hemicellulose) is a heparinoid (like glycosaminoglycan polysulfate and glycosaminoglycan peptide complex), but sodium pentosan has the advantage of lacking antigenic protein constituents. It is a potent inhibitor of matrix metalloproteinases and leukocyte elastase, and it may down-regulate metalloproteinase levels by interfering with the binding of transcription factor [9]. Each of these heparinoids requires intramuscular or intra-articular administration. It is therefore notable that calcium pentosan polysulfate, which is well absorbed after oral administration, reduced loss of cartilage proteoglycans in an animal model of inflammatory arthritis [10]; it has not yet been evaluated as a disease-modifying drug.

Neither of the above pentosans has been tested in humans. In patients with knee osteoarthritis who received a series of intramuscular injections of glycosaminoglycan polysulfate or glycosaminoglycan peptide complex every 6 months for 5 years, radiographic progression of osteoarthritis was reported to be slower in patients who received either agent than in controls, and improvement was noted in several functional measures [11]. However, failure of the study to include a placebo group or to control for NSAID use cast doubt on the importance of these findings. The lack of convincing evidence of a disease-modifying effect in humans, reports of bleeding attributed to the heparinoid structure of glycosaminoglycan polysulfate, reports of anaphylaxis related to the presence of antigenic protein components, and concern about possible transmission of the agent responsible for bovine spongiform encephalopathy have led to the removal of glycosaminoglycan polysulfate and glycosaminoglycan peptide complex from the market in the European countries in which they had been available.

 

[Jablack0680]

From someone who is afflicted with Osteo Genesis Imperfecta Type IV (genetic brittle bone disease) my body is riddled with arthritis. I utilize Deca heavily in the cold months (off-season) along with HGH (2 iu 5on 2off) and this helps me be able to walk and function to work. It is a shame that a physician cannot prescribe me the above because the FDA and the Medical boards of the world do not recognize my disease as a wasting disease which it technically is.