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Dips...a weird thing happens.

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When i do weighted dips my warm up is simple. BW for 10, 1 plate for 3, then its singles up to my work weight. However, i never count my frist 2 reps with my working weight. For some reason the first rep is usually about 25% ROM, the second about 50% ROM, the thrid rep is where i hit my stride and get the full ROM(80%). if i try to hit full ROM on the first 2 reps i cant complete a single rep. Once im on my 3rd rep which i count as #1 i can complete 10-12 full reps before failure. Ive experimented with different warm ups to try to correct this but i am stumped for an explaination as to why this occours. Using a mirror to check form i see no problem there. If anyone can help with an explaination i would greatly appreciate it. I suppose theres no real harm in this occourence but i would like to understand it.
 

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It sounds like its just your body getting use to the weight... How are the sets after the first work set?
 

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PERSONALLY IM A NEWBIE ON THE BOARD BUT I INCORPORATE DIPS INTO EVRYONE OF MY WORKOUT FOR CHEST.. I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.. ITS LIKE MY MUSCLES HAVE TO GET PULLED TO A CERTAIN POINT TO GET A FULL ROM OR RELEASE OF TENSION TO PULL MORE WEIGHT FOR MORE REPS.. IM CURIOUS OF A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANANTION MYSELF IF THERE IS ONE.. :)
 

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It sounds like its just your body getting use to the weight... How are the sets after the first work set?
Well right now im taking a little break from DC, my body is kind of beat up. After the first set the subsequent sets go from rep 1. like i said im sure this little nuance is no big deal, but if i dont understand something it buggs me until i figure it out...lol
 

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I think it has to do with the start of the exercise.. Dips start with a concentric movement and require alot of stability (especially on your wrists).
 

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When i do weighted dips my warm up is simple. BW for 10, 1 plate for 3, then its singles up to my work weight. However, i never count my frist 2 reps with my working weight. For some reason the first rep is usually about 25% ROM, the second about 50% ROM, the thrid rep is where i hit my stride and get the full ROM(80%). if i try to hit full ROM on the first 2 reps i cant complete a single rep. Once im on my 3rd rep which i count as #1 i can complete 10-12 full reps before failure. Ive experimented with different warm ups to try to correct this but i am stumped for an explaination as to why this occours. Using a mirror to check form i see no problem there. If anyone can help with an explaination i would greatly appreciate it. I suppose theres no real harm in this occourence but i would like to understand it.
This is called STAGGERED reps, and its important to do this. I do the same as you except I do a very simple warm up for form's sake and then I jump to 5 plates on my first workset....Phil Hernon style. You once said, "loading the spring." That's the idea, brother.
 

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Well right now im taking a little break from DC, my body is kind of beat up. After the first set the subsequent sets go from rep 1. like i said im sure this little nuance is no big deal, but if i dont understand something it buggs me until i figure it out...lol
Just a thought but try some really slow deep push ups first not a lot of them but something to pull on your chest and tri's a bit... I know in my case many times ill be lifting and not feel my normal strength and ill do something a little different and i can just feel everything let go... You may have some issues that a foam roller may solve.. They have those hand rolllers that are great for your arms and chest..
 

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Well

I have the same problem! I must use my feet to assist the first few, them I am GTG.............the problem is the rotator.......dips are actually bad for the shoulder cuff, so really watch that you DO NOT DO FULL ROM............but MY dips start with the eccentric movement first.
 

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Just a thought but try some really slow deep push ups first not a lot of them but something to pull on your chest and tri's a bit... I know in my case many times ill be lifting and not feel my normal strength and ill do something a little different and i can just feel everything let go... You may have some issues that a foam roller may solve.. They have those hand rolllers that are great for your arms and chest..

To be honest the idea of feeling everything all of a sudden let go exactly describes what hapens.
I have the same problem! I must use my feet to assist the first few, them I am GTG.............the problem is the rotator.......dips are actually bad for the shoulder cuff, so really watch that you DO NOT DO FULL ROM............but MY dips start with the eccentric movement first.

I ALWAYS do 80% ROM, I can get into a good power groove in this range and my joints feel better. well everythign but the wrists but that kind of comes with the territory. on dips when i bottom out im not physically bottomed out. I stop before the spot where i know i get joint pain if i go deeper. usually takes the elbows alittle past 90% but not much.

P.S. i start at the top as well with the eccentric.
 
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I have this same issue with both dips and squats. Especially with squats. My knees take time to warm up.
 

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I have this same issue with both dips and squats. Especially with squats. My knees take time to warm up.
For squats i do 3 singles with the working weight before i go after it, that helps from rep 1. doesnt help with the dips though.
 

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I have the same issue when going heavy.. usually happens at 4+ plates. If I start at the top, on the way down I get some odd pain in my elbow and shoulders, but if I do that slow or, like you said, half-reps, I am completely fine and strong after that first one or two. Seems strange but I'm sure has something to do with fiber recruitment.
 

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thanks!

When i do weighted dips my warm up is simple. BW for 10, 1 plate for 3, then its singles up to my work weight. However, i never count my frist 2 reps with my working weight. For some reason the first rep is usually about 25% ROM, the second about 50% ROM, the thrid rep is where i hit my stride and get the full ROM(80%). if i try to hit full ROM on the first 2 reps i cant complete a single rep. Once im on my 3rd rep which i count as #1 i can complete 10-12 full reps before failure. Ive experimented with different warm ups to try to correct this but i am stumped for an explaination as to why this occours. Using a mirror to check form i see no problem there. If anyone can help with an explaination i would greatly appreciate it. I suppose theres no real harm in this occourence but i would like to understand it.
I'm glad you posted this T... same thing happens to me too and I was wondering if there was something "wrong" with me (well, more so than usual :))

It helps so that I don't try to force myself to complete that first or second rep with full ROM and potentially injuring myself. I too start at the beginning of the eccentric portion.

While the above part is unintentional, I may intentionally try this on my squats. I've noticed that while I am able to complete a full rep on my first working set, it's somewhat difficult, BUT, the rest of the following reps are OK.

I WONDER if it also means the muscle isn't fully warmed up/prepared though? I'm just speculating here... the golgi tendon reflex causes the muscle to relax to protect it under heavy loads... I wonder if the muscle isn't properly warmed up (or maybe even still "too pumped/tight" from a previous exercise) this reflex is trying to kick-in and there's a "battle" between the autonomic part of our nervous system trying to shut down and our conscious trying to contract the muscle.... or, I'm just way off base hahaha :)
 

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it happens to me as well . I always thought its a Pavlovian response , muscle recruitment as a habit happens only after part movement.
 

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I think so

I'm glad you posted this T... same thing happens to me too and I was wondering if there was something "wrong" with me (well, more so than usual :))

It helps so that I don't try to force myself to complete that first or second rep with full ROM and potentially injuring myself. I too start at the beginning of the eccentric portion.

While the above part is unintentional, I may intentionally try this on my squats. I've noticed that while I am able to complete a full rep on my first working set, it's somewhat difficult, BUT, the rest of the following reps are OK.

I WONDER if it also means the muscle isn't fully warmed up/prepared though? I'm just speculating here... the golgi tendon reflex causes the muscle to relax to protect it under heavy loads... I wonder if the muscle isn't properly warmed up (or maybe even still "too pumped/tight" from a previous exercise) this reflex is trying to kick-in and there's a "battle" between the autonomic part of our nervous system trying to shut down and our conscious trying to contract the muscle.... or, I'm just way off base hahaha :)
On me heavy set, I go down progressively deeper each rep....try that, its awesome. My first rep may be 1/8, then 1/4, then 1/3...etc
 

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Good deal

On me heavy set, I go down progressively deeper each rep....try that, its awesome. My first rep may be 1/8, then 1/4, then 1/3...etc
Will try that... thanks.
 

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