Ephedrine HCL VS Yohimbine HCL

[qbkilla]

Back in the day id use the primaforce started at 2.5 worked up to 15, combined with 50mg bronkaid and 400 caffeine. Then fasted cardio. It definitely fucked up my head made me feel like on drugs...as soon as id eat id be fine.

Past year been taking it working up to 20mg with 25 bronkaid and 200 caffeine just 2 days a week with gh pre fasted cardio. No mental affects. Not sure if I got used to it, my energy drink (caffeine) isn't really 0-5 cal so I'm not fasted, or the product isn't as potent, but I've had zero mental affects even at 20. Different bottles but same brand the little primaforce 2.5 caps

 

[Tomgrass]

always wonderied how the old school "helios" product for this purpose would fare against yohimbine , often yohimbine is included in that formula lol

I think yohi is good enough to be a solid competition for it.

 

[marssel]

You mean Yohimbine interacts with the ER? If so no, not the case.

Yes I’ve read that several times. Ergo Pharm and others made products with Yohimbine and dmso for local action citing its ability to cause local fat loss along with reversing early onset gyno. I’ll say this that spray sure as shit worked, whether it was via estro or other. Again I don’t have a bunch of studies so I could be wrong but I do know it was marketed that way and the stuff commercial or home chemistry definitely worked. I never saw a dmso ephedra or caffeine compound so maybe snake oil in the end but again my lower pecs an glute ham tie ins reacted dramatically to it particularly that ergopharm maroon spray stuff.

 

[marssel]

I think yohi is good enough to be a solid competition for it.

Well Helios has the HCL in it and imo is much stronger as well as allowing for local effect.

 

[Doitagain]

Yes I’ve read that several times. Ergo Pharm and others made products with Yohimbine and dmso for local action citing its ability to cause local fat loss along with reversing early onset gyno. I’ll say this that spray sure as shit worked, whether it was via estro or other. Again I don’t have a bunch of studies so I could be wrong but I do know it was marketed that way and the stuff commercial or home chemistry definitely worked. I never saw a dmso ephedra or caffeine compound so maybe snake oil in the end but again my lower pecs an glute ham tie ins reacted dramatically to it particularly that ergopharm maroon spray stuff.

If someone marketed a topical fat burner to ameliorate lypomastia (not gyno) it doesn't mean it has an antiestrogenic effect.

 

[marssel]

If someone marketed a topical fat burner to ameliorate lypomastia (not gyno) it doesn't mean it has an antiestrogenic effect.

Agreed I heard it from John Romano and then Arnold but again this was 2002 give or take. It also had insole-3 carbonyl in it which is anti but i swear I heard yohimibine affects fat cells directly. I’m not saying I know it I am saying I heard it from old school dudes and to this day believe it I mean Helios seems to have a local effect so there’s that too.

 

[derzwerg]

i swear I heard yohimibine affects fat cells directly.

I believe it does but by blocking the alpha receptors; blocking norepinephrine. I'm far from an expert though, I might be way off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[MasteroniPepperoni]

I react well to Yohimbine HCL, but whenever I take a pre workout with alpha yohimbine, it's a horrible experience. AY usually results in cold sweats, anxiety, nausea and heart palpitations. Feels like vasoconstriction even though it acts as vasodilator

Primatene(EC) has been incredible as a pre workout. Amazing focus, energy and proper aggression. Great strength boost, as well.

 

[Muay Thai]

I react well to Yohimbine HCL, but whenever I take a pre workout with alpha yohimbine, it's a horrible experience. AY usually results in cold sweats, anxiety, nausea and heart palpitations. Feels like vasoconstriction even though it acts as vasodilator

Primatene(EC) has been incredible as a pre workout. Amazing focus, energy and proper aggression. Great strength boost, as well.

youre back bro!!!!! let put about 25lbs on you now

 

[MasteroniPepperoni]

youre back bro!!!!! let put about 25lbs on you now

May stick around. God bless man . May have put on some mass since leaving , but still small lol . Appreciate you

 

[marssel]

I believe it does but by blocking the alpha receptors; blocking norepinephrine. I'm far from an expert though, I might be way off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks for the chime in, I am not sure the method but I’ve heard it too many times and again why woukd helios and yohimbine and DMSO be so effective local and so widely used in the late 90s and early 2000s if it didn’t. I think those are used less bc A. Guys don’t go as hard (DMSO smells a bit and Helios is a lot of shots if you’re sculpting) the new school of insulin use and the more common use of DNP has replaced Helios etc. but not due to lack of efficacy

 

[Aikman56]

I never tried Helios, but I recently found some Amino Asylum Pyro that I bought last year and never used. I am thinking about using it around my lower back, but there seems to be a paucity of information by members with actual experience. Can you shed any further light on things I should maybe know? I'm planning on hitting 5 areas on each side of my low back. Is that enough area? Should I spread it out more? I'm assuming it's best in the AM, fasted cardio, like most yohimbine.
Thanks for any info you might be able to provide!

 

[Aikman56]

Yes I’ve read that several times. Ergo Pharm and others made products with Yohimbine and dmso for local action citing its ability to cause local fat loss along with reversing early onset gyno. I’ll say this that spray sure as shit worked, whether it was via estro or other. Again I don’t have a bunch of studies so I could be wrong but I do know it was marketed that way and the stuff commercial or home chemistry definitely worked. I never saw a dmso ephedra or caffeine compound so maybe snake oil in the end but again my lower pecs an glute ham tie ins reacted dramatically to it particularly that ergopharm maroon spray stuff.

Is this company/are these products still in existence? I've been googling and can't dig anything up.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

Is this company/are these products still in existence? I've been googling and can't dig anything up.

the only thing I know of like this that is still in existence in Matt Porter (RIP) Vasoburn. There is no DMSO, but you could always combine it yourself. That said, I am not sure if all of the ingredients in that product in particular would be safe to combine with DMSO...

Another topical called Exotherm by BLR is pretty badass, but it is not topical yohimbine, it is a little bit of estro control and some other shit. It is a very effective topical though.

Increasing blood flow to muscle, and increasing blood flow to stubborn areas of fat to mobilize and transport fatty acids are not the same.

 

[marssel]

Is this company/are these products still in existence? I've been googling and can't dig anything up.

No they had some androstenedione era type “drugs” in them last I saw them was 2005 thereabouts. I have heard of guys making DMSO combos of yohimbine HCL and things like indole 3 carbinol. The ergo pharm stuff was Maroon In color and it definitely worked I loved the shit. Patrick Arnold was a stud back then.

 

[marssel]

I googled real quick and found what was the other part of the spray 6-Oxo here’s a little article I found on it, it’s efficacy and why it’s not around:

Does 6-OXO Work? YES, But There's A Catch | Supplement Critique

Necessary for both men and women, testosterone is a sex steroid hormone that is especially important in men’s health. It promotes fat burning, supports muscle building, ensures that libido is high, and keeps you happy, among a variety of other benefits

www.supplementcritique.com

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

No they had some androstenedione era type “drugs” in them last I saw them was 2005 thereabouts. I have heard of guys making DMSO combos of yohimbine HCL and things like indole 3 carbinol. The ergo pharm stuff was Maroon In color and it definitely worked I loved the shit. Patrick Arnold was a stud back then.

are dudes just opening yohimbine hcl capsules and mixing with DMSO gel? For what it is worth, I know a lot of guys use DMSO as the carrier to get other things into the blood stream, but it in of itself works amazing at healing soft tissue injuries, and added benefit, you will keep Dracula away.

 

[marssel]

are dudes just opening yohimbine hcl capsules and mixing with DMSO gel? For what it is worth, I know a lot of guys use DMSO as the carrier to get other things into the blood stream, but it in of itself works amazing at healing soft tissue injuries, and added benefit, you will keep Dracula away.

lol yes they are not so much my crowd now as I’ve drifted away from my more hardcore guys but yes dmso with finaplex tabs, yohimbine, various supposed hair growth items. The So Cal and DFW crowd a decade back was pretty wild. Fuck I heard some guys put mdma in it between their toes before hitting the club, never saw it but i believe them when they said it. I’m not sticking it up my ass either but I believe it works

 

[TURBO_GHEIST]

Yohimbine is IMO god tier vs pedestrian EC, though they serve different functions. EC is a much better daily stim and offers appetite suppression which is very useful, will enhance fasted cardio of course but personally I love t3, clen, yohimbine combo and its not even close. I know clen wasnt meant to be in this convo but for its the anabolic kingpin for a reason.

Toss in yohimbine hcl and watch the fat melt away from day to day.

 

[TURBO_GHEIST]

PS no one is putting MDMA in their toes to get high, its to make it through security. Normally I would just toss it down my boxer briefs, in the ankle of a sock, inside my wallet etc Have been to my share of germanic techno dungeons.