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FERTILITY RECOVERY !SOS!

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Were you at zero sperm along the way or did you notice it gradually going up over that time?
I think the doc said something like 30000 when they cut my nuts open to go get it to fertilize the eggs they retrieved from my wife. So that was up from zero.
 

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I think the doc said something like 30000 when they cut my nuts open to go get it to fertilize the eggs they retrieved from my wife. So that was up from zero.

Can you tell me more about the process? So you started at zero, then after one year of HCG+FSH+Clomid you were up to 30,000 in a semen analysis? If so, why did they need to cut your gonads open to get the sperm?
 

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Can you tell me more about the process? So you started at zero, then after one year of HCG+FSH+Clomid you were up to 30,000 in a semen analysis? If so, why did they need to cut your gonads open to get the sperm?
Semen analysis still showed zero. I got a second opinion from a doctor my wife found who was some kind of world famous specialist and after looking at my semen analysis and blood work over the year, felt like I had an 80 % chance of the surgery being successful.
We decided to go for it and, I shit you not, he referred me to a surgeon/ urologist named Dr. Fallic.
They found enough to fertalize maybe a dozen eggs. Inplanted 1 good embryo and we had a kid. 3 years later, they defrosted the last 3 and only 1 was viable, and I have a second.

When they're in their teens, I'm going to tell them they're technically twins.
 

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Semen analysis still showed zero. I got a second opinion from a doctor my wife found who was some kind of world famous specialist and after looking at my semen analysis and blood work over the year, felt like I had an 80 % chance of the surgery being successful.
We decided to go for it and, I shit you not, he referred me to a surgeon/ urologist named Dr. Fallic.
They found enough to fertalize maybe a dozen eggs. Inplanted 1 good embryo and we had a kid. 3 years later, they defrosted the last 3 and only 1 was viable, and I have a second.

When they're in their teens, I'm going to tell them they're technically twins.

Wow this is fascinating. You said in your first post that you did the HCG+FSH+clomid protocol for a year before your sperm count went up, but now you are saying it was actually zero in every semen analysis you did? And it was not until they actually did the surgery that they found any sperm?

What was the cause of your infertility if not AAS?
 

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I had a couple of spikes to 40or 50k but the last 4 monthly tests were zero. The specialist disagreed with the test results and believed 30 to 50k to be accurate.
When the doc opened me up, he told my wife the tissue looked really bad, like there was either injury or disease.
I could have been injured as a kid, I don’t remember because I grew up pretty rough and was kind of always hurt. I did have pneumonia once as a child as well but nothing I can put my finger on.
 

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I had a couple of spikes to 40or 50k but the last 4 monthly tests were zero. The specialist disagreed with the test results and believed 30 to 50k to be accurate.
When the doc opened me up, he told my wife the tissue looked really bad, like there was either injury or disease.
I could have been injured as a kid, I don’t remember because I grew up pretty rough and was kind of always hurt. I did have pneumonia once as a child as well but nothing I can put my finger on.

Wow so interesting. As far as I know I was healthy hormonally until gear so we'll see. Studies indicate that if you got through puberty with normal sperm then your chances of recovery are greater (compared to those who had issues from a young age).

What you said about showing 40-50k then zero is something I was just thinking about yesterday. Like if I got ANY in a semen analysis I would want them to freeze them on the spot because what if it was just a fluke and I got zero again later. Sounds like that's what happened with you. But I don't know if they would freeze it for me that quickly.

So after the surgery, that was pretty much it for you? Like if you theoretically wanted more kids it would be impossible?
 

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Wow so interesting. As far as I know I was healthy hormonally until gear so we'll see. Studies indicate that if you got through puberty with normal sperm then your chances of recovery are greater (compared to those who had issues from a young age).

What you said about showing 40-50k then zero is something I was just thinking about yesterday. Like if I got ANY in a semen analysis I would want them to freeze them on the spot because what if it was just a fluke and I got zero again later. Sounds like that's what happened with you. But I don't know if they would freeze it for me that quickly.

So after the surgery, that was pretty much it for you? Like if you theoretically wanted more kids it would be impossible?
I believe they could attempt one more but the damage done during the first would make a positive outcome unlikely. I was told, there was a lot of cutting to get through the unhealthy tissue to find what they needed.
my wife told me the PA kept telling the surgeon, “ I need more” so he kept digging.
oh and no one told me I’d pee blood after so when that happened I completely freaked out and made my wife, whose a nurse, call the doctor while her and the nurse were laughing hysterically at me freaking out over the surprise of blood coming out of my dick.
 

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I believe they could attempt one more but the damage done during the first would make a positive outcome unlikely. I was told, there was a lot of cutting to get through the unhealthy tissue to find what they needed.
my wife told me the PA kept telling the surgeon, “ I need more” so he kept digging.
oh and no one told me I’d pee blood after so when that happened I completely freaked out and made my wife, whose a nurse, call the doctor while her and the nurse were laughing hysterically at me freaking out over the surprise of blood coming out of my dick.

Well that's horrifying lol man scary to think of how much damage could be done. I didn't realize it was like that. So are you on TRT as a result for life then?
 

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Full homeostasis and recovery of your endocrine system after being totally shut down for months, takes months, not weeks. Likely 2-3 months before things are really back rocking and even longer before any sort of homeostasis is achieved. Thats why cycling off and expecting quick recovery, so you can go back on cycle makes no sense to me. I have always thought that if you are going to use PED's you should be ready for TRT.

Good news though is a good friend of mine LONGGGG time body builder in his 50's came off everything, I dont know his full protocol but a combo of HCG, clomid, and a few other things he did successfully have a child after 5-6 months of recovery and trying. I dont know the specifics though otherwise I would be happy to share what he did at his old age to make it happen.
 

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Well that's horrifying lol man scary to think of how much damage could be done. I didn't realize it was like that. So are you on TRT as a result for life then?
Yeah, my natural test is shot. I have no idea when my issues originated though.
 

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Well Idk what douche decided to move my thread to the beginner's diet section so I'll post it here:

I HAVE SPERM!! Just got my 7 month semen analysis back.

It's only 1 million/cc so I know most people would be very unhappy with that, but for the last few months I've had to think about the possibility of never being a father due to azoospermia. At least this gives the option of IVF/ICSI. I am hoping that this is just the start and that, like many others, it will now ramp up to higher levels and a natural pregnancy will be possible. I am also PRAYING that it was not just a fluke and I will continue to produce sperm for subsequent samples. But yes, I was ecstatic this morning and shared some tears with my wife just to know that it is at least possible to have my own children.
 

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Well Idk what douche decided to move my thread to the beginner's diet section so I'll post it here:

I HAVE SPERM!! Just got my 7 month semen analysis back.

It's only 1 million/cc so I know most people would be very unhappy with that, but for the last few months I've had to think about the possibility of never being a father due to azoospermia. At least this gives the option of IVF/ICSI. I am hoping that this is just the start and that, like many others, it will now ramp up to higher levels and a natural pregnancy will be possible. I am also PRAYING that it was not just a fluke and I will continue to produce sperm for subsequent samples. But yes, I was ecstatic this morning and shared some tears with my wife just to know that it is at least possible to have my own children.
Awesome to hear bro !!! Just an fyi Hmg/Hcg together raised my sperm count from 2million to like 30million in a couple months (I think I already mentioned that in this thread). Ivf with icsi was a miracle for me bro. The thousands of dollars I spent has been well worth it as my baby girl is due in a couple months. To say I’m excited is an understatement.
 

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Awesome to hear bro !!! Just an fyi Hmg/Hcg together raised my sperm count from 2million to like 30million in a couple months (I think I already mentioned that in this thread). Ivf with icsi was a miracle for me bro. The thousands of dollars I spent has been well worth it as my baby girl is due in a couple months. To say I’m excited is an understatement.
Thanks man :) How long did you try to get pregnant with 30 million before deciding on finally doing ICSI? I would think with 30 million you'd be able to do so naturally unless there were other issues?
 

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Anybody know what happened to the OP? By the time I got to the end here I was hoping to see the ending of the story lol
 

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