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xcelbeyond
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I was over at 'bolex reading a good thread about contest prep
and it ended up saying get a hold of Big A or Ry Roid! Anyways the thread left me hanging. They had some great pre-contest diet info and were talking somewhat around the dos and don'ts of diuretics. They said that there are 2 diurectics that are not banned by IFBB (and of course they were the best 2), but did not say what they were (they did say to stay away from Lasix). Can anyone here enlighten me.
While it has seemed to be ages since I've competed, I'm still enamored by pre-contest stuff. Who knows - I may give it another go in the old mans, I mean "elders" class
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nandro
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hehe that was me bro.......demadex and manitol! duhh... BTW......i like lasix and works great if you know what to do with it.
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Most like dexedex better than Mannitol anyday but, others are differetn.
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hehe that was me bro.......demadex and manitol! duhh... BTW......i like lasix and works great if you know what to do with it.
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I find Lasix pretty effective also, when used responsibly.
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xcelbeyond
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Thanks bros, knew you'd come through!
As you can probably tell, I've never used diuretics. I know "what" they're used for (just prior to contest to get rid of water under skin).
Can anyone elaborate on "proper" Lasix usage - timing, amounts, what to and not eat eat & do with water, etc.?
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damadex is king
nothing else works as good for me....lasix makes me alittle have alittle stomach upset....i have used up to 60 mg of damadex the last week b4 my shows always works awesome.................its amazing how much water the body holds on a daily basis....just my 5ius worth kc
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Originally posted by xcelbeyond
Thanks bros, knew you'd come through!
As you can probably tell, I've never used diuretics. I know "what" they're used for (just prior to contest to get rid of water under skin).
Can anyone elaborate on "proper" Lasix usage - timing, amounts, what to and not eat eat & do with water, etc.?
xcelbeyond
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If you choose to use Lasix, only use the injectible, not the oral. The oral is too unpredictable, and due to the nature of the drug, you can't afford to do that.
Inj Lasix comes in 2ml amps, 20mg/amp. You inject the whole amp, IM (IV is even better but too freaky for me). Within 15 min after the inj, you will start pissing, It will stop 45 min later. See if you need anothere shot. Probably yes. Repeat. That should be enough.
Now, here comes the individual part. After the use of a diuretic, your muscles and vascular system get depleted first. Then your subq water. Also, after several hours (that is the individual thing) the water starts returning. First in the muscles and vascular system, then subq. So basically, you want to time it such a way, that when you walk on stage, you are in the time after the return of the water in the muscles and veins, but before it returns subq. That is individual, so you have to practice.
Used this way, there is zero danger to using Lasix.
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FRKNHUGE
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how much water
weight will u lose with an amp of lasix(approximately)
thanx bigA
frk
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Hvywght
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Damn...
I got the oral version of lasix for the Missouri in July. I need injectable, where can I find some? Big A can you help me out or anybody else?
hvy
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Big A
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I personally lose 11lbs after the first amp and another 4lbs after the second. But everyone is different.
Alin carries it.
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Lasix and Aldactone
Here is a question for those in know. Does it make any sence to run say aldactone for 5-7 days before show, then use lasix if need, night before. Here is my concern aldactone will rid body of sodium which is kinda good and kinda bad, not enought sodium and you can't get pumped look flat etc.. too much you end up holding water. Anybody have any input on this type of thing?
BTY - Listen to big A on lasix, i didn't last year and ending up holding water like a SOB.
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If you can get your hands on Aldactone, that is ideal. You use that for the last week before the show and then something stronger like Lasix the day before.
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eye_candy
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Thanks
Thanks Big A and already have my bloated little hands on the aldactone.... so good to go, only 25mg but will probably do 50mg at supper time, 50mg bed time, for 7 days before show.
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wyldeone
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hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
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02-21-2002 12:15 PM
xcelbeyond
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Re: hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by wyldeone
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
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Don't leave me in limbo wyldeone - post a link!
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buffarkie
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hvywght...how did you place at the missouri??
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Ernie Taylor
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Re: hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by wyldeone
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
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That's a laugh....The only way to get your hand on a copy is to subscribe (I have not seen it at the newstands)...And considering how late it was for the first issue, I would not send them a dime!
(They probably gave all copies of the latest issue away at the Arnold)
It reminds me of my subscription to PEAK TRAINING JOURNAL...I think I received 2 issues....
-Ernie Taylor
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Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
I was over at 'bolex reading a good thread about contest prep
and it ended up saying get a hold of Big A or Ry Roid! Anyways the thread left me hanging. They had some great pre-contest diet info and were talking somewhat around the dos and don'ts of diuretics. They said that there are 2 diurectics that are not banned by IFBB (and of course they were the best 2), but did not say what they were (they did say to stay away from Lasix). Can anyone here enlighten me.
While it has seemed to be ages since I've competed, I'm still enamored by pre-contest stuff. Who knows - I may give it another go in the old mans, I mean "elders" class
xcelbeyond
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nandro
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hehe that was me bro.......demadex and manitol! duhh... BTW......i like lasix and works great if you know what to do with it.
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Ry Roid
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Most like dexedex better than Mannitol anyday but, others are differetn.
RY
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ronan
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Originally posted by nandro
hehe that was me bro.......demadex and manitol! duhh... BTW......i like lasix and works great if you know what to do with it.
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I find Lasix pretty effective also, when used responsibly.
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02-18-2002 12:55 PM
xcelbeyond
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Thanks bros, knew you'd come through!
As you can probably tell, I've never used diuretics. I know "what" they're used for (just prior to contest to get rid of water under skin).
Can anyone elaborate on "proper" Lasix usage - timing, amounts, what to and not eat eat & do with water, etc.?
xcelbeyond
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caseyviator
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damadex is king
nothing else works as good for me....lasix makes me alittle have alittle stomach upset....i have used up to 60 mg of damadex the last week b4 my shows always works awesome.................its amazing how much water the body holds on a daily basis....just my 5ius worth kc
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02-18-2002 10:27 PM
Big A
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quote:
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Originally posted by xcelbeyond
Thanks bros, knew you'd come through!
As you can probably tell, I've never used diuretics. I know "what" they're used for (just prior to contest to get rid of water under skin).
Can anyone elaborate on "proper" Lasix usage - timing, amounts, what to and not eat eat & do with water, etc.?
xcelbeyond
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If you choose to use Lasix, only use the injectible, not the oral. The oral is too unpredictable, and due to the nature of the drug, you can't afford to do that.
Inj Lasix comes in 2ml amps, 20mg/amp. You inject the whole amp, IM (IV is even better but too freaky for me). Within 15 min after the inj, you will start pissing, It will stop 45 min later. See if you need anothere shot. Probably yes. Repeat. That should be enough.
Now, here comes the individual part. After the use of a diuretic, your muscles and vascular system get depleted first. Then your subq water. Also, after several hours (that is the individual thing) the water starts returning. First in the muscles and vascular system, then subq. So basically, you want to time it such a way, that when you walk on stage, you are in the time after the return of the water in the muscles and veins, but before it returns subq. That is individual, so you have to practice.
Used this way, there is zero danger to using Lasix.
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02-19-2002 08:50 AM
FRKNHUGE
Future Junior Natl Powerlifting Champ
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: in your bed with ur girl, lol
Posts: 289
how much water
weight will u lose with an amp of lasix(approximately)
thanx bigA
frk
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Hvywght
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Location: Springfield , MO
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Damn...
I got the oral version of lasix for the Missouri in July. I need injectable, where can I find some? Big A can you help me out or anybody else?
hvy
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02-19-2002 11:10 AM
Big A
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I personally lose 11lbs after the first amp and another 4lbs after the second. But everyone is different.
Alin carries it.
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02-19-2002 07:15 PM
eye_candy
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Lasix and Aldactone
Here is a question for those in know. Does it make any sence to run say aldactone for 5-7 days before show, then use lasix if need, night before. Here is my concern aldactone will rid body of sodium which is kinda good and kinda bad, not enought sodium and you can't get pumped look flat etc.. too much you end up holding water. Anybody have any input on this type of thing?
BTY - Listen to big A on lasix, i didn't last year and ending up holding water like a SOB.
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02-19-2002 08:45 PM
Big A
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If you can get your hands on Aldactone, that is ideal. You use that for the last week before the show and then something stronger like Lasix the day before.
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eye_candy
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Thanks
Thanks Big A and already have my bloated little hands on the aldactone.... so good to go, only 25mg but will probably do 50mg at supper time, 50mg bed time, for 7 days before show.
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wyldeone
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hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
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02-21-2002 12:15 PM
xcelbeyond
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Posts: 336
Re: hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:
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Originally posted by wyldeone
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
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Don't leave me in limbo wyldeone - post a link!
xcelbeyond
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buffarkie
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hvywght...how did you place at the missouri??
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Ernie Taylor
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Re: hmmm diuretics!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:
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Originally posted by wyldeone
Tell ya what gang read Dave Palumbo's rxmuscle monthly this month as i have writen an article on diuretics in it that will cover these issues! wyldeone.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a laugh....The only way to get your hand on a copy is to subscribe (I have not seen it at the newstands)...And considering how late it was for the first issue, I would not send them a dime!
(They probably gave all copies of the latest issue away at the Arnold)
It reminds me of my subscription to PEAK TRAINING JOURNAL...I think I received 2 issues....
-Ernie Taylor
