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Integrity of this board.

PHIL HERNON

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Members of this board have been kicked off here for saying that SOMAJECT was fake. That is really fucked up. Obviously, you guys were warned. I even said that it was junk, but more guys came on here, the guys selling that shit, threatening everyone that said it was bad. THis board cant fall to SHIT like that anymore. That was a FAKE company, and people on here that said it was real should apologize. WE cant sell shit on here obviously, but why were guys allowed to peddle this shit? Also, I am dissapointed around here lately with all of the threats against people who question others training techniques, that is really sad. If someone gets hurt using a technique, SO THE FUCK WHAT?? LET HIM TALK ABOUT IT. Dont say that you can end his career and want to fight him. Dont call him stupid and make fun of him. This is just how I feel. Obviously, we need BIG A back SOON!!
 
Ohh shit!

OHH SHIT!!!
Phil Has Just Caused a Riot,Lol

Im very intrested in hearing more on the SomaJect being a FAKE
company.... I know MANY guys who have spent there hard earned Cash on this here On the boards, and In my Area.
Please do Give us the Down-Low Anyone??

Yes, I miss BigA as well.
He is very good at keeping it real!
 
PHIL HERNON said:
Members of this board have been kicked off here for saying that SOMAJECT was fake. That is really fucked up. Obviously, you guys were warned. I even said that it was junk, but more guys came on here, the guys selling that shit, threatening everyone that said it was bad. THis board cant fall to SHIT like that anymore. That was a FAKE company, and people on here that said it was real should apologize. WE cant sell shit on here obviously, but why were guys allowed to peddle this shit? Also, I am dissapointed around here lately with all of the threats against people who question others training techniques, that is really sad. If someone gets hurt using a technique, SO THE FUCK WHAT?? LET HIM TALK ABOUT IT. Dont say that you can end his career and want to fight him. Dont call him stupid and make fun of him. This is just how I feel. Obviously, we need BIG A back SOON!!

Yup....

Raj---- howya been?:p
 
Ivan

Busy as all hell the last few weeks,lol
Pokin a stripper workin in St.louis and trying to keep this Physco
chick at home happy all at the same time ;)

How about you!

Very curious to see how this thread turns out ;)
 
Integrity of PM

Who has been kicked off of the board Phil? I myself wasn't aware of that issue. I also don't beleive in censorship so I'll let someone speak their mind. I rarely edit a post unless it's just way out of line (rec drugs, personal threats, etc..). I've never seen a post advertising Somaject Kits here on PM. I have seen post's where folks did advocate the use of Somaject's but that's merely someones opinion. Kinda like one guy saying QV is the bomb and another saying QV is complete crap. If someone was threatened I would surely like to hear about that.
 
GH Bust article

GH bust
Man charged with selling growth hormone

Paul Gustafson, Star Tribune
March 27, 2004BODY0327

A St. Paul man alleged to have sold an illegally obtained human growth hormone and a homemade version of it to body builders was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury in Iowa.

Basil Han, 29, is accused of buying the human growth hormone hGH from two Iowa men who obtained it illegally from China, according to court documents.

When the Iowa men lost their Chinese sources of hGH, one told authorities, they created their own version, placed it in false packaging and sold much of it to Han for resale.

When Han was arrested March 18 in Iowa, he was in the process of buying the men's counterfeit hGH business and moving supplies and equipment for making the hormone to St. Paul, authorities allege.

By then, however, one of the Iowa men already was cooperating with federal authorities.

As a result, federal agents tape-recorded Han on March 14 as he agreed to buy the men's business for $15,000. Later that day, the agents watched Han as he allegedly moved equipment for the illegal drug business into an apartment in the 1100 block of Ashland Av. in St. Paul, according to a search warrant filed Friday. Han was indicted on one count of possessing human growth hormone with intent to distribute it for unauthorized purposes and on one count of conspiracy.

His scheduled hearing Friday in U.S. District Court in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was postponed. His attorney, John Lane, of Cedar Rapids, could not be reached for comment.

A man identified as B.J. Stevens told federal authorities that he and Nick Hanson of Mason City, Iowa, schemed to import hGH illegally from China beginning in 2000, according to court documents.

They did so by using Web sites to pose as representatives of legitimate biotechnology companies that needed hGH for neuromuscular research.

The hGH then was fraudulently repackaged as an approved human growth hormone product called Serostim and sold to body builders and others, the indictment alleges.

The Federal Drug Administration has not approved any foreign-manufactured hGH for use in the United States. But Serostim, a recombinant hGH product produced by Serono Inc., of Massachusetts, has been approved to prevent AIDS wasting.

However, the drug, which helps develop muscle mass, has become widely available on the black market because, unlike other steroids, it isn't detected in drug testing used by sports groups.

A Serono spokeswoman declined to comment on the scope of the drug's misuse, but she said there have been similar cases

When the Iowa men lost their Chinese sources of hGH in September 2001, they began making their own counterfeit version from ingredients bought over the Internet, Stevens told authorities.

They also sold a substance called Somaject, which they made themselves, by making it appear to be a human growth hormone product made by a legitimate German firm, according to the indictment against Han.

Han allegedly bought 2,500 kits of hGH from the Iowa men between May 2001 and December 2003, then sold it to others. Much of it was the counterfeit substance the Iowa men made themselves, Stevens told authorities.

Paul Gustafson is at [email protected].

The Associated Press contributed to this report


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They also sold a substance called Somaject, which they made themselves, by making it appear to be a human growth hormone product made by a legitimate German firm, according to the indictment against Han.
 
Re: Integrity of PM

A50# said:
Who has been kicked off of the board Phil? I myself wasn't aware of that issue. I also don't beleive in censorship so I'll let someone speak their mind. I rarely edit a post unless it's just way out of line (rec drugs, personal threats, etc..). I've never seen a post advertising Somaject Kits here on PM. I have seen post's where folks did advocate the use of Somaject's but that's merely someones opinion. Kinda like one guy saying QV is the bomb and another saying QV is complete crap. If someone was threatened I would surely like to hear about that.

Both Lizz and SEXILEXI were kicked off by Xcelbeyond. Do a search for Somaject on here and see that they even had it tested
 
WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST IS THE FACT THAT LATELY THERE SEEMS TO LIBERAL USE OF FLAMING.. WE HAVE NEVER TOLERATED THIS BEHAVIOR BEFORE AND NEED TO CRACK DOWN ON IT AGAIN.. over the last couple of months, there has been more attacks on individuals and i persoanlly have received numerous pm's from those who have been on the board for years.. they are also concerned that a person can not ask a legit question without questioning anything from his "manhood" to his "intelligence".. that is not what made this baord as good as it is.. we will always have new members that will have questions.. if you do not care to answer the question because you feel it has been gone over too many times, then dont.. i would rather see low posts on the response then flames.. in other words, STATE YOUR CASE INTELLIGENTLY BUT, DO NOT FLAME.. not everyone is going to agree with you on training techniques ect.. again, state your case in favor but, do not rude or defensive.. if we mods see the post as just a post to get shit started we will delete it.. if you have concerns about a post..pm a mod and we will deal with it.. we are very "hands on" here and will take care of the issue without anyone having to resort to negative flames.. this board is a great place to exchange ideas.. we have very knowledgable members.. phil h, instynct, xcel, and too many others to name have vast amounts of knowledge and are willing to share it when ever possible.. new members have to be able to come here and feel welcome.. many will not know that a topic may have been beat to death.. tell them to do a search.. dont flame them.. so, lets just get the board back on track like it was and help those you can.. utilize the mods if something pisses you off. pretty simple.. ;) heathly debate.. yes..personal attacks...NO.
 
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PHIL HERNON said:
Also, I am dissapointed around here lately with all of the threats against people who question others training techniques, that is really sad. If someone gets hurt using a technique, SO THE FUCK WHAT?? LET HIM TALK ABOUT IT. Dont say that you can end his career and want to fight him. Dont call him stupid and make fun of him. This is just how I feel. Obviously, we need BIG A back SOON!!

Hell yeah, Finally someone had the balls to say it.
 
Balls and a

P.Pump................This one will never die Phil!


Raj --- whoa man seems like ya got your hands full...I am just playin' ball now -- trying to heal -- I seperated my shoulder not too long ago...

Funny thing, I started taking 800 mgs of Syd EQ right after and the doc told me I would be out 2 months min, but 3 weeks and I am back on the saddle. Still hurts, but nothing too big.

I have a feeling the EQ may have helped it...or maybe it is in my head, but my blood volume has skyrocketed and I could not be more happier. :D

I am gonna watch this thread closely too, should be interesting. :eek:
 
Phil

Point taken mate. I've been scarcer than I'd like to be have been due to personal concerns, but will hopefully be sorting most of this out ASAP. IronMike
 
Well said Phil

Everybody should have the right to ask questions and speak their mind at anytime and should never feel threatened for doing so , this is a place for questioning and debating right? not personal slanders or attacks.

oh and thats fucked up about the Somaject situation just wrong .
 
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Re: Re: Integrity of PM

PHIL HERNON said:
Both Lizz and SEXILEXI were kicked off by Xcelbeyond. Do a search for Somaject on here and see that they even had it tested
Well - looks like I need to step down as mod.

In all honesty, I don't remember banning these people. I usually give 3 warnings when someone is misbehaving as LATS so eloquently stated.

It may seem pretty easy to censor what doesn't seem "correct" to you but I find it real difficult, esp when I'm the one doing it the most. If I had my way, I probably cutoff more posts for "the way they are stated," but it's a difficult line to draw and still be perceived as fair.

IT REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN A MEMBER GIVES BAD INFO (ONE THAT BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE) AND I JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT

out :mad:
xcel
 
as xcel stated.. one must be warned first.. i will be the first to admit that i have let some stuff slide thinking that it was just a isolated incident.. but, now that i have gotten quite a few pm's about the subject.. it is time to get the board where it was.. if the person is a chronic offender than he must go..i truly do not believe in censorship on the board but, i completely disagree with rude or uncalled for behavior.. so, where do we draw the line??..as xcel stated, it is a tough call.. BUT, IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR EVERYONE TO BE TOLERANT AND RESPECTFUL OF OTHER MEMBERS?? if it is too much to ask of you, than we are not the board for you.. i love a good argument and love to argue politics..but, to call someone a name or threaten them because we disagree is absolutely uncalled for.. but, let us mods take care of it.. i recently had a gentlemen who is well respected here, pm me about someone who he feels has been "out" for him.. he did the right thing by coming to a mod and asking for assistance.. he did not go after him by getting into a pissing match on the board.. it would solve nothing.. BIG A picked the mods he did because he wanted people who would take care of matters... each member is valuable.. so before you start a pissing match, get ahold of a mod..so let us / mods take care of problems if you feel something must be addressed..
 
Well you need to correct your intial statement. While somaject's where obviously not produced in Germany (Did anyone really believe that anyway??), there may have been indeed GH in the kits. It doesn't say they were fake, but counterfeit, which could simply mean the company that was suppose to produce them was being copoed. As for Xcel, I have known him for awhile and have found him to be nothing but fair. I certainly don't know all the in's and out's of this board as I only visit occassionly, but you need to edit your first post, it is not accurate.

badham
 
Very well said PHIL! Lats, you too. You guys just about summed it up.

DamageInc

"When in doubt...choke em out"
 
xcel

From all I know of you xcel you would have banned them because you thought it was the right thing to do at the time, or because they were speaking out of line. I would never even question that you had any alterior motives and you put a lot into this board.

If anyone did have alterior motives (and many do when it comes to $$$ and gear) then they are the only bad guys here.

Let's just chill a little, table some facts about a product, bite tongues where necessary and avoid those you don't respect a great deal. In this humble man's opinion.

IronMike

PS - I'll tidy some of this up soon... if my net ever gets put back on..... :confused:
 
All I can say regarding the Somaject kits is that they worked for me. Just like the fake Serostim kits did. I was never under the illusion that it was a real company.

Think about why that stuff floats around in the first place. Everyone wants GH but legit stuff is much more expensive and very hard to come by. Then someone comes up with a way to get it out there cheap and the whole world gets a hardon. Same goes with gear. It's a never ending cycle.

For me, I decided to get checked out and get a script for my stuff. It's more expensive that vet gear and I can't get anywhere near as much but now I have piece of mind. Oh, and GH is out of the question as I can't afford the price at the pharmacy.

As for flaming on the board, I will be happy to put a stop to it. Things have been getting nasty as of late.

PB
 
Re: Re: Integrity of this board.

weight77 said:
Hell yeah, Finally someone had the balls to say it.
Apparently you didn't read Phil's statement "Dont call him stupid and make fun of him."

Whenever you reply to someone that has a question or post about SEO, you BELITTLE them for their use. The last post happened to be against someone that was probably too new to use SEO but as LATS stated, that's not how we support each other here.

As i've stated countless times, if you can't be tactful in your statements/resposes you will be warned. Coming across the way you do, does not add credibility - in fact there's MANY on this board that use SEO. Know you don't see them flaming you when make harsh remarks do you - that's my point.

xcel
 
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I probally am going to get banned here

..But Fuck it ! You are obviously taking a jab at me for defending Doggcrap in Chris 250s thread about his new back. I am sorry but you should read Vanders response again , then read my response alittle more carefully.I don't think I poluted the board as you insinuate .I will back anyone of my friends on here or anywhere else in a heartbeat if someone is disrespectful.That is just the way I am peroid and I won't offer excuses for it what so ever. You and I have talked before and you know that I am a big fan of yours and that I have alot of respect for you. But honestly you have pissed me off with this post. You could have PMed me or any of the other parties involved that seemed irritate you. You carry alot of respect I am sure things could have been worked out to you liking.Don't come here and talk shit about my integrity .Fuck that . And to question Excell 's ability as a mod. I call bullshit ! Excell is one of the nicest most knowledgable guys on the net period . I think Big A is an awesome guy and I miss his presance around here as much as anyone [ and I feel horrible for what he is going through and I really like the man as a person ] , but don't act like he could handle things any better than Excell .Because that is bullshit Phil and you know it ! Go back to my first ever post . Big A wanted to ban me over defending my friend Jason Muller. It was Excell that helped work things out and encouraged me to stay. I think that you and of course Big A would agree that I have become a vauable member.I love most of the guys here and this is the classiest board around period. A large part of that is due to Excell and you know that I am right .You owe the man an appoligy . You hurt his feelings for no good reason.As far as the GH thing , why do you care so much ? You could have handled this alittle different don't you think? I personally could do without all the gear talk on this board anyway[ and source posting - what a joke - could people be more stupid? ] .With the currant climate being what it is ,it is just not that smart. Most of that should be done by Pm. Being a convicted felon like myself .You think you would know that it not smart to take a stand publically on these kind of issues.You don't think that you are making yourself a target taking such a strong stance on this issue? Especially with your background , build , and the fact you own a gym. Now don't think these things are better discused via pm or on pre- payed phone card from a secure line? You are smarter than this.......I am sure that I may get banned for standing up to your dumbass post or I will get into a bunch of drama with other members over this .But fuck it .Don't hide behind some nameless post and question my integrity .If you have a problem with me? PM me !!!......otherwise then shut the fuck up!!! I think you know that I don't play and you know that I was born in New york and have much family out there .I am out that way once maybe twice a year .Maybe we could have a chat about my integrity some time when I come out to visit.I think my days posting here are over .......I will check my Pms for awhile , but I refuse to polute this great board with this kind of crap.Phil ,I always showed you respect , I even offered you money when times were tough for you[ although when my sister died , I wasn't able to ].And you showed me zero respect and I am sorry ,but I have a problem with that ! Everyone else ......thanks for sharing info and allowing me to escape some the hardships that I have been enduring these last 6-8 months. I wish you all the best..........and guys, stay safe !!! Freedom ,next to your health is the most important thing that one can ever have....My best to all of you .......Take Care!!!
 

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