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what was the lowest effective dosage of Deca you used that stopped shoulder pain?
i cruised on 300mg the whole time. worked like a charm.
what was the lowest effective dosage of Deca you used that stopped shoulder pain?
dude if you are using deca dece and not npp at three weeks in the 600 mgs should really just start hitting. even if you just stopped the admin for the next 2 weeks easy you are gona be in full swing.
while you will notice a lil form week one to two, really 3 is where its really gona come on at your dose. just food for though. see how you feel. just food for thought as my dick stopped working typing deca 600mg. lol
That has varied quite a bit, for reasons I can't quite explain. I do have higher SHBG levels than most, which would explain why I need higher free test levels than most to feel good.
In July, at trough injecting 100mg twice per week, by immunoassay my total testosterone was 846, high out of range from 250-827 ng/dL. My SHBG was 51, high over the range of 10-50 nmol/L. My free testosterone was 86.6 in the normal range from 46.0-224.0 pg/mL. And I felt terrible.
In August, injecting 100mg every third day, by immunoassay my total testosterone was 1565, high out of range from 250-827 ng/dL. My SHBG was 47, in the normal range from 10-50 nmol/L. My free testosterone was 211.8, still within the normal range from 46.0-224.0 pg/mL. And I felt terrible.
In late October, in blood tests at my urologists office, at 200mg per week my total testosterone was 1211, high out of range from 125-800 ng/dL. My SHBG was 57.8, still high out of range, no free testosterone was measured, and I still felt terrible.
I only feel good when I increase the test to 400mg per week or more, which causes my SHBG to drop, and my total and free testosterone to rise high out of the normal range.
Otherwise, when I have free testosterone within the normal range, I still feel terrible.
Thanks for the detailed response.
Have you tried including Proviron in your regimen? It can really work wonders to keep your SHBG low. I would suggest investing in the pharmacy brand Schering so you know what you are using is legit and then try a dose of 25mgs a day when you are on TRT levels. Then once you get new bloodwork, as long as you kept all variables the same as in the past, you should be able to see what exactly the 25mg does does for your SHBG levels
and free test and then adjust the dosage from there. I'm betting it would be a pretty significant even at 25mg/day.
Do you need any AI or SERM during higher dose test (400mg+). I also feel a lot better during higher dose than with cruise dose but I think it´s not that bad as you guys are describing.I know exactly what you mean. I've gone through the exact same experience with crushing anxiety and depression. Last summer was the worst.
I've spent most of the last 28 years using 400-500mg of testosterone per week, along with other compounds rotated in, with good experiences and very few problems. But to make a complicated long story short, last year at this time I ended up with gyno after using Tren, which got worse after I dropped DHT compounds (Proviron, Masteron), and the gyno got much worse after I tried Trestolone. I dropped everything to just 200mg of Test Cyp per week and tried to fight the gyno with Nolvadex and Raloxifene.
At first, I thought the depression and anxiety I was feeling was because of the SERM's (Nolva and Ralox.) But even after I dropped them and continued on 200mg Test, I felt miserable and anxious and my OCD symptoms went through the roof. For over three months I was horribly depressed and the anxiety was terrible, I was jumping out of my own skin. Finally in August I went back to using 400mg per week of Test, and almost immediately I felt much better, and the gyno did not recur. Went up to 600mg of Test, and I was downright happy, with much less anxiety, and the gyno still didn't come back.
Since then, I have stayed on at least 400mg of Test per week, and while I have other side effects, the depression and anxiety and OCD symptoms have never come back as bad as they did last summer. The only way I felt better was to increase the dose.
I think after a long time at a certain dose, your body and your mind just get used to that level of stimulation, and you don't feel well when you drop the dose. At least for me, that has been the case. Maybe the answer is to keep the dose low, and just get on an anti-depressant and anxiety medication. But when I look at all the negative side effects of the SSRI's and SNRI's and tri-cyclic anti-depressants, I have to think that maybe I am better off just sticking with testosterone.
I wish I had better news for you, but this has been my experience.
That depends on your bloodwork. Personally on 400 test I don’t run an ai. I like my e slightly elevated when my t is also elevatedDo you need any AI or SERM during higher dose test (400mg+). I also feel a lot better during higher dose than with cruise dose but I think it´s not that bad as you guys are describing.
I get significant joint pain relief from just 70-100mg / wk of NPPwhat was the lowest effective dosage of Deca you used that stopped shoulder pain?