IS ALL GEAR CREATED EQUAL?"?

[getbig27]

what i've been wondering is if you have two bodybuilders carrying the same amount of fat,muscle, height, weight etc....both guys have been using gear they made themselves. all of a sudden bodybuilder A starts using gear from the best company on the market while bodybuilder B continues making his own stuff.

will bodybuilder A start to gain some more muscle, surpassing bodybuilder B, using a cleaner more quality controlled product?

 

[jahras12]

getbig- this is a good question imho because people think more expensive means better but is it- I think so- even though I use quality vet gear and jurox gear almost exclusively- I know human grade gear is better- I just dont have the $ to shell out for it- will my physique suffer? prolly not because the extra I take from qv makes up for the difference in the quality but I have recieved some great gains from qv, Ip hombrew, and human grade gear especially galenka(?) test enanthate amps- but in all my experience I have recieved great gains and only had good results from vet gear and it is so well priced to give up- Ill stick to my guns and go with what I like- an anology is oreos to the shoprite brand cookies- oreos are more expensive but are far superior and made with better quality than the store made brand- homebrew just aint the same as top grade human gear- if you got the money go for the best- would like to hear others opinions on this too...

Jon

 

[getbig27]

jahras12--thanks for your input. im just curious to hear if the majority of users feel they gain more muscle using the top grade stuff as apposed to the homebrew. if its just a case of being able to use 1ml of the top grade stuff to make great gains as apposed to using 3ml of homebrew then i really dont see a big difference except in the price.

 

[STORM SHADOW]

getbig- this is a good question imho because people think more expensive means better but is it- I think so- even though I use quality vet gear and jurox gear almost exclusively- I know human grade gear is better- I just dont have the $ to shell out for it- will my physique suffer? prolly not because the extra I take from qv makes up for the difference in the quality but I have recieved some great gains from qv, Ip hombrew, and human grade gear especially galenka(?) test enanthate amps- but in all my experience I have recieved great gains and only had good results from vet gear and it is so well priced to give up- Ill stick to my guns and go with what I like- an anology is oreos to the shoprite brand cookies- oreos are more expensive but are far superior and made with better quality than the store made brand- homebrew just aint the same as top grade human gear- if you got the money go for the best- would like to hear others opinions on this too...

Jon

I don't know the answer to this..but do you really think that name brand is better than homebrew powders? I don't know what the difference would be. If it really is pure powder.. using the kit...at least you would really know what the mg/mil is.

Thoughts?

SS

 

[dragonfire101]

I have used all various under ground test and the best test i used that was consistently and noticebly better came fron an antiaging clinic I was using and the gear made in the U.S.

Maybe the standards are higher and it was dosed properly and the use only the highest grade powder for manufacturing in U.S, who knows! that was my experience.

 

[jahras12]

man this is tough to figure out- but if you do it yourself your def gonna know how much is being put in and how much you are taking in per ml, and you can underdose or overdose the ml but unless your specialty is chemistry I wouldnt trust myself while brewing my own gear- I dont have the time or patience to go make my own gear also- so I take a risk- and buy vet gear which has above all been excellent to me- but in answering your question, getbig, gear is gear and yes in my opinion you can either take less gear of human grade or more of vet or homebrew and achieve those muscle gains - I think this also applies to gh and igflr3(media and receptor grade quality difference)- you get what you pay for imho!

Jon

 

[bigbaldbulldog]

Just my honest opinion..

Here is what i can tell you as fact:

Homebrew you know exactly what is in it
Bought brew you hope you get what you are paying for...Yes some top names are great and you HOPE they are not counterfit..

The difference between vet quality and human grade is night and day from my personal experiences...back in the day when i did shows i used what i could get which was always vet stuff and it did work... I got a chance to use testoviron human grade once and it was like i never used gear before. I made the kinda of gains you make the first time you use stuff...

If you can get human grade powder and make it yourself, do it and you will be glad you paid the extra money...IMO

 

[nandro]

it won't be long before the powders are cut with something inert.

 

[Massive G]

People that know me know my pet peeve is comapring Pharm gear with UG/ and Mex gear and even Euro BM gear.
That peeve being when someone says the UG et all is 'Pharmgrade" quality.
But this isn't really the case here.
When you buy any gear off the BM and including any powder you are entrusting that it is what it is. The only way to ensure it is just THAT is to get it tested.

Say I have 4 enanthates.
1 pharm grade US Delatestryl
1 Euro Testoviron
1 UG Enanthate
1 Mexican Vet Enanthate

Someone cycles a 500 mgs a week of each for 6-8 weeks.
Results are gonna be the same just about if it is all dosed correctly.
The only difference will be their may be higher levels of BA, residues and or endotoxins in the UG or MEX or even Euro-maybe giving you a mild case of test flu.

BM=black market and you take a risk no matter what you get, Euro is counterfeited at times and the worst Testosterone I have ever injected came from legally obtained and prescribed Testosterone Enanthate from a US compounding pharmacy. So know and trust your source research the brand on the boards before you buy it-ex. if you buy QV Test EN 250 50 mls, you better be prepared top cut it and or bake and refilter as it will light your ass up-very high in BA.

So go figure basically 200mg per ml of test enanthate =200 mg per ml of test enanthate. ETC

 

[STORM SHADOW]

it won't be long before the powders are cut with something inert.

ehhhh I don't know if I agree with that either. Big A is on top of this stuff and keeping his ear to the wind it seems. If (for imformational/educational and safety reasons), this was going on... word would be out.

I think

SS

 

[jahras12]

massive- I actually use the QV 50 ml jugs and imho they are the bomb and I dont cut it or bake it- it def does cause some swelling but after using the ip gear its like a fantasy but both did give good gains- and for what I pay for those bottles of QV - the gains they give me I feel it is well worth it -I can deal with a little pain in order to get some muscle

Jon

 

[BigMatt]

The only gear that you can trust 100%,is when you go to pharmacist and he give you Human gear straight from the counter.

 

[Massive G]

massive- I actually use the QV 50 ml jugs and imho they are the bomb and I dont cut it or bake it- it def does cause some swelling but after using the ip gear its like a fantasy but both did give good gains- and for what I pay for those bottles of QV - the gains they give me I feel it is well worth it -I can deal with a little pain in order to get some muscle

Jon

Could be they fixed it I am out of the loop a bit as the complaints littered the boards a while back on that QV250.

 

[jahras12]

yeah its funny- I think they have cut it a little better because a while back - id say a year ago- the pain was quite bad- but not terrible- results were still good-now its a lot better and I feel the test is a lot cleaner- my appetite is nuts and im horny all the time and I am just feelin the test and it feels good!- great stuff now imo- but qv test prop gave me no good gains and a little gyno-always roll with the enanthate-I think they cleaned up their act and it sure as hell feels a lot better- but I do swell up at the site inj. a lot with their gear too so its not perfected yet-but they are getting better!

Jon

 

[MikeS]

I think the QV 50ml enanth was high BA for a good while. Youd like to think they have corrected that-its not like you need all that BA to hold 250mg enanth in oil.

 

[KillerStack]

Even if you have two equally dosed legitimate products there could be differences. There have been documented cases of different responses between generic drugs (not steroids) - for whatever reason. Maybe that's why people have their favorites even if on paper they look exactly the same.
Like Ciba Dianabol, Negma Para, Theramex etc.

 

[healthfreak79]

powders its all about the purity of the powders, and the only way to know is to get them tested at a lab. Sure most ug claim that there test is 250 mg/ml but who really knows, i dought that all powders are 100% pure.

 

[bigbaldbulldog]

well?
Dont you think its all be made from powder some how or another?

Maybe the flitering process makes it better

And a little TLC and you've got a bottle love and growth..powders will soon be cut with soemthing and purity levels will drop...it will happen since it si teh natural course of things in this market....

 

[BigMatt]

powders its all about the purity of the powders, and the only way to know is to get them tested at a lab. Sure most ug claim that there test is 250 mg/ml but who really knows, i dought that all powders are 100% pure.

where Can you get those things tested?
It must be expensive...

 

[Massive G]

Even if you have two equally dosed legitimate products there could be differences. There have been documented cases of different responses between generic drugs (not steroids) - for whatever reason. Maybe that's why people have their favorites even if on paper they look exactly the same.
Like Ciba Dianabol, Negma Para, Theramex etc.

That's an entirely different issue other than the question asked.
When a patent goes off on a product (the drug active itself) the propeitary information on formulations and coatings and production specs (for tablets) remain with the parent company-which can make a difference in delivery and effects.