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Have you taken anything else besides test or proviron on its own?
Have you taken anything else besides test or proviron on its own?
I bloat with low e2 more than high e2 believe it or not, don't know why
I do better with higher estro around 50 pg/mlWhen i had an e2 reading of 50 pg/ml on 250 of test e/week i looked full, vascular and pumped.
When, later, on the same amount of test my e2 reading was 8 pg/ml due to letrozole, i looked like shit.
Don't think that's your issue as you were taking proviron and test and were fine, correct?Is it possible that too much free test can cause water retention by itself?
I do believe that estrogen levels are more affected when on trt and taking ai's. As the studies seem to show reductions of 50% or so from what I remember when natural but on trt, etc. you see guys with levels <10 when using pretty mild doses in comparison to the doses used in those studies.
I think you're right with that statement. While guys are always referencing the aromasin study on natural males and claiming its extremely hard to crash e, it's just not true. Many guys using exo test have crash their e2 and I think I know why.
I recently came across a study on ai's in males and within that study, it mentioned that ai's dont really penetrate the testes and block aromatase from converting to estrogen there. So in natural males, no matter the dose of aromasin, they will continue to convert test to estrogen in their testes. In someone who's on trt or blasting, their testes are shut down and not producing any test to convert to estrogen, making the ai more effective. I think that's also the same reason AI's seem to have no effect on the estrogen produced from using hcg. AI's are less effective in natural males.
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