Phil is definitely 1st! Even without looking at Jay's waist or left bicep, from behind, his back has no detail to it...Thick, but no detail. Phil has the striated glutes as well...He should be the new Mr.O. Second place should be interesting...Will the judges gift it to Jay or give it to Kai? I actually think Kai will take second!! Dennis Wolf still just isn't making the strides I thought he would. Don't get me wrong, he has one hell of a physique, and his genetic shape is what people would kill for, but he's just not there yet and I'm not sure if he ever will be.