NO BULL seminar with Dave Palumbo

[maxsupplements]

Went to a seminar with the JUMBO palumbo this past weekend. it was pretty awesome. him and Author REA were there to answer any type of question in the book. it was really informative. Dave talked about diet for about 20 minutes about staying in Ketosis for a contest diet, and then shared a little on his idea of carb depletion during pre-contest dieting.

also, i just wanted to add, i asked him DIRECTLY about his idea and method behind the 10mcg IGF post workout. he actually stated that post workout was really not that necessary, but did mention running it everyday for 6-8 week blasts and then taking a 4 week break.
His reasoning was the down regulation of the receptors recieving the IGF. he did mention that was how it was done 10 years ago when it first came out. They could ONLY run 10mcg. and that was a LOT! so, he then went on to mention the grades, and how there is really not difference since the purity between HG and UG was basically a couple percent of purity. SO- with that said, i think it made sense.


I am going to try this protocol. his reasoning seemed sound. i have about 3/4 of a milligram and it should last me 6 weeks or so. I will post results..

but anyways. him about REA both were lookin pretty damn thick. especially dave. damn. thats one solid mofo.

oh, and this was at the Central states and Oklahoma Bodybuilding show.

 

[grumpy69]

Dave knows his shit.

 

[Nytol]

Dave knows his shit.

Not IMO.

Him and Rea, , what a combo.

 

[maxsupplements]

yea, it was pretty funny..

they clashed heads on different topics. especially the topic of GH & slin. timing, use, and pre-use.

REA talked about using glucophage for over 8 weeks prior to using slin.


then DAVE blew in and said the exact opposite.

it was pretty funny..

 

[KillerStack]

Not IMO.

Him and Rea, , what a combo.

Agreed.

Reading Dave's thread on MD had me shaking my head more than a few times LOL.

And Rea, well, what can I say

 

[Beta]

care to elaborate? Ive enjoyed that thread but obviously its been very one sided (as it should be i guess, i mean it is his thread)

 

[Matte220]

+1.....saw Dave P give a seminar up in Fargo, ND in 2004 and he is an absolute book of knowledge and just an overall nice guy. Answered everyone's questions...even the DUMB ones very politely and w/ heart. I came away from that seminar w/ the utmost respect for this BB.

 

[CaptainDominate]

anyone have a link to the thread on MD...if not ill do a search for it..

CD

 

[KillerStack]

care to elaborate? Ive enjoyed that thread but obviously its been very one sided (as it should be i guess, i mean it is his thread)

First of all I'll say that I'm sure he's had A LOT of hands on experience with different chemicals wrt bodybuilding application. That is very valuable and should not be discounted at all.

The thing I find strange is that Palumbo is supposed to be a very intelligent individual who went to med school and he supposedly researches the scientific side of how different chemicals work. Yet he makes a lot of absurd claims that aren't based on any science and often flat out wrong. He seems very out of the loop regarding black market drugs as well. For example someone was asking whether his Chinese GH could be 192AA sequence. Palumbo answers that there is no 192AA GH made anywhere in the world, and I quote "why would anyone make GH with the WRONG sequence?" LOL
I remember once in MD mag someone asked about liquid tamoxifen and Dave answer that he never heard of such a thing and it was fake.
Lots of stuff like that in his thread.

 

[LEX]

+1.....saw Dave P give a seminar up in Fargo, ND in 2004 and he is an absolute book of knowledge and just an overall nice guy. Answered everyone's questions...even the DUMB ones very politely and w/ heart. I came away from that seminar w/ the utmost respect for this BB.

the utmost respect? WOW is all I can say....

 

[KillerStack]

I don't think you can hold it against him for not being familiar with liquid tamoxifen, etc. I worked with a guy a few years ago who has worked with Iris Kyle (Ms. Olympia), Frank Roberson, and a few other pros and he was not familiar at all with the UG products and said he would not trust anything that didn't come a legitimate company. You really don't know what you're getting when dealing with unregulated products. I do use UG products at times so I can't knock them. However I have had some bad experiences with UG products. For ex. I was using oral winny and var, yet I put on an enormous amount of water weight while on a keto diet which leads me to believe they were cheaper drugs like drol and dbol. I had to scrap every bit of it and get something else to roll with for my shows.

Many top guys in the sport don't use UG products, or "research chems" so those are the wrong people to ask about those products. Does anyone think Ronnie, or Jay is logging on to chemone.com to order their PCT. These guys are using legitmate pharmaceuticals and have no reason to research these other avenues.

Yeah, I agree that UG stuff is a crap shoot. Though Dave has profiled himself as the "got to guy" wrt black market drugs. That's why he was fielding those questions in his column. The igf-1 which he has written articles about is a UG product basically, especially the non-gropep stuff. The fake or counterfeit GH he was selling was probably relabeled Chinese stuff IIRC. So he should know a little bit about Chinese hGH, that there is 192AA growth still being made. He also seems to spend a lot of time online so how can you miss the UG trade going on? Of course it's possible that he was intentionally acting naive.

 

[NPCS FINEST]

When it comes to diet...Daves knows his shit forsure...Some times I don't agree with him on gear tho myself.

 

[sammarbella]

...REA talked about using glucophage for over 8 weeks prior to using slin....

This is very interesting, i'm doing the gluco part prior to take slin for a few weeks.

Can you say more about this?

In his protocol gluco is used to increase sensitivity to slin and than use less slin?

Is gluco used again after slin weeks?Or on days off slin?

 

[dragonfire101]

but did mention running it everyday for 6-8 week blasts

so was this multiple day injections of 10mcg or more.

10 years ago igf1 wasn't IGF-1 LR3 and had a very short half life so it would make sense to do it many times all day. I really do't think that would apply today and would stick with Gavin's protocol, which I think appears more sound. I like to read Rea stuff, it looks good on paper , but alot of it doesn't seem practical for most.

 

[maxsupplements]

This is very interesting, i'm doing the gluco part prior to take slin for a few weeks.

Can you say more about this?

In his protocol gluco is used to increase sensitivity to slin and than use less slin?

Is gluco used again after slin weeks?Or on days off slin?

yea, exactly what he said, the gluco makes your body more sensitive to the insulin once you do start. he did not elaborate as to if you should continue the gluco after insulin use, but did say that 90% of people dont need insulin.

he says thats exactly why you use the gluco, to make you have to use less slin, thus decreasing your chance of getting to much of a tolerance to the slin.

so was this multiple day injections of 10mcg or more.

10 years ago igf1 wasn't IGF-1 LR3 and had a very short half life so it would make sense to do it many times all day. I really do't think that would apply today and would stick with Gavin's protocol, which I think appears more sound. I like to read Rea stuff, it looks good on paper , but alot of it doesn't seem practical for most.

yea, thats what he said, but only 10mcg a day for days on end, no cycling or stopping unless you were at the end of a blast. you are right that they did not have the Lr-3 to the IGF, so it was less active.

i probably just should do gavins, but i am about at .5mg of IGF left, so, i want to conserve it a little, so i will try 20mcg a day, in the morning, ED until its gone. i have been up to 60mcg in the past, but got headaches and was EXTREMELY lethargic.

we shall see..

Rea was a good funny guy. had some good stuff to share.

 

[sammarbella]

maxsupplements:

Thanks