No Ester 'Roids for Site Injections

[xcelbeyond]

Now - my turn for a question about this topic. I'll post willk's article as a reference below this post

Will test - no ester in an oil depot work the same for site injections as suspension (water-based)?

I certainly hope so as I've got 20g of the stuff!

xcelbeyond

 

[xcelbeyond]

Site Injection
By willk

I just wanted to say a little bit about site injections. Seems a lot of body builders are using this technique in hopes of bringing up weaker body parts, or to swell the show off muscles like the bi’s.

Well, I’m here to tell you that site injecting in hopes for increased size in that muscle maybe pointless unless you are using ester free gear.

The temporary swelling that occurs from drugs like sustanon are not going to result in permanent size.

What you are actually doing is increasing the risk of getting an infection in a site like bi, tri, or calves. You don’t want an infection there; it may lead to a hole in your muscle after the infection is removed.

So how can it work? It’s simple, once I explain the ester.

The esterified steroids you inject are useless at binding to the receptor until the ester is removed. Once the ester is removed the steroid is now active (can bind). What does this have to do with site injections? EVERYTHING.

The place where 98% of the esters will be removed is in the blood stream. 2% in the muscle cell. The enzymes, which remove the esters, are found in the blood stream.

So when you inject a drug like deca, it has to be taken from the injection site, into the blood stream where the ester is removed making it active, USEFUL to the growth process.

So, when the gear is active, it’s in the blood stream, now every muscle has as good chance in using (binding) the steroid. The steroid will bind with the androgen receptor, making a hormone-receptor complex, then enters the cell nucleus, where it binds to DNA, and activating specific genes. (you grow)

How do we increase the muscle at the site injection, that lagging calf, or weak tri… it's very simple.

Want the answer? It’s ester free gear.

If the ester is already not present, then the steroid can bind directly with the androgen receptor of that muscle, giving that muscle the first crack at it. This will help to bring up those muscles that are having a harder time binding.

Types of drugs to use. Winstrol injectable, Testosterone Suspension, Liquid Anadrol, Injectable Dbol........

One myth is that if you use oral (ester free) steroids with DMSO over the muscle in question it will increase that muscle's size, and that muscle will get first crack at the steroid. This is not going to happen. DMSO releases the drug into the blood stream, then the drug gets distributed from the blood stream, and every muscle has the same chance of using the steroid.

Orals are ester free, dbol, anadrol, etc... You can crush the tablets in sterile water, sterilize the whole mixture, and administer. Please don’t do this unless someone very knowledgeable is with you to show you how to do it! This practice is dangerous, and can do more then cause infection. There can be serious sides when going with site injections with oral/liquids.

Be safe. remember to study an anatomy chart well before ever injecting. injecting in areas other than the buttocks increases risks of many factors. be careful, and make sure you know what you are doing before injecting. seek out a medical doctor or someone who can help you if you do not have the proper injection procedures understood.

This is a highly debatable issue. this is only my opinion based on 'self study.' I thought I would post it and see what people thought.

xcelbeyond

 

[xcelbeyond]

I was reading at another board where they were saying that test no ester in oil gets absorbed in the body (gets into bloodstream) quicker than in water (suspension). So - they were saying TNE in oil should be taken twice ED.

Any thoughts on this?

xcelbeyond

 

[BALDNAZI]

agreed but........

True esterless gear like winny is awesome for site injects.I believe the mechanism is exactly how you explained it.But alot of us who use heavy doses of gear have no choice but to site inject.I cannot fill my glutes with cc after cc it has to go somewhere else.So I put my test,tren,primo etc EVERYWHERE.bi's tri's delts quads.And in doing so,I have noticed tremendous increases in size.Most likely this has to do with fascial stretching from all the oil,but it does work.Just like SEO's only the oil dissipates faster.That is where I disagree with you.Why is there an increase chance of infection,if all sterile procedures are followed?SEO's stay in the muscle alot longer then gear,so I would think fear of an abcess would be greater with them.I like syntherol but I also like putting any and all gear in my site injects,wherever there is room for more oil is where it will go.........

 

[xcelbeyond]

I agree with you baldnazi. I believe that if you take all the proper precautions when injecting, no problems. But - I've read too many posts from bros that I know they're doing everything but have gotten abcess' from water-based gear?!?!?

That why I purchased powders and using Animals U100 kits to convert to an oil based product, both TNE (100mg/ml) and Winny (50mg/ml). Both will work with 25g pins as well!

xcelbeyond

 

[xcelbeyond]

* Bump *

Answers or Insights to my questions?

xcelbeyond

 

[Animal]

so what

Around every cell is what? The circulatory system! A depot does not encapsulate a bunch of cells and/or stop circulation of the cells it touches. The amount of cells that a depot could get to before coming across the circulatory system is miniscule when compared to the total cells. A good example is if you believe the brightness of our sun has any affect whatsover on the brightness of the milky way if viewed from outside the milky way.

It don't!

So your problems are that you quickly run into the circulatory system and a depot actually touches very few cells.

Oh yea, and don't forget that crystalline depots as in water based, are SOLID and crystals can NEVER enter a cell!

 

[xcelbeyond]

OK Animal: So If I understand you correctly, which you know I can be somewhat dense at times, depot get into the circulatory system before it can really get into cells. And suspension crystals will get absorbed by circulatory system before entering the cell, as well?!?!

If so, that's good to understand. There's been enough anecdotal evidence for me to still believe there's benefits from site injecting non-ester gear.

xcelbeyond

 

[Animal]

Correct

ON what you believe I have explained.

Of course, anecdotal in the realm of inflammation from painful crystalline depots while giving localized and temporay 'size enhancements' is not indicative of lasting growth, just as creatine and creatine loading from AS that will be pissed away when the AS are stopped at the end of a cycle are not indicative of true LBM gains!

 

[Mr_Magoo]

totally agree, i believe the growth is from the oil strecthing the fascia, but in the long run it does lead to more growth via the stretching of the fascia, so my take is to always inject into certain bodyparts never ur ass. i luv side delts, cant ever have them wide enough

 

[xcelbeyond]

totally agree, i believe the growth is from the oil strecthing the fascia, but in the long run it does lead to more growth via the stretching of the fascia, so my take is to always inject into certain bodyparts never ur ass. i luv side delts, cant ever have them wide enough

You beat me to the point - inflammation strecthing the muscle facia + working it properly + static streching + nutrition = new growth.

Years of putting everyting in my arse is probably why its sooooo large - LOL

xcelbeyond

 

[Mr_Magoo]

agree 100 percent with u excel mostly bc u agree with me, but curious as to what side delt strecthes u do, i have some but ma looking for more

 

[Animal]

Well damn if that doesn't explain

Why I can now squat 1000lbs on warm up and I have this 'sista booty' that I can set my coffee cup on when I stand up!


Get real. If it did anything, people would have huge ass and hip musculature and it don't happen.

 

[diverz]

Animal's right. People won't ever have to use gear anymore. Just inject sterile water and watch the muscles grow! Sorry if my comments piss anyone off.