Test, EQ, Dbol Cycle

[blackson]

Hi, I'm 23, 5'11 185lbs, I've been working out for 3 years and I've done steriods when I was 19 but I had no idea what I was doing I just did what this other guy told me to and I actually passed out while injecting my 3rd time because I didn't feel comfortable not knowing enough about it all.... So I've been reading for the past month and feel good about trying them again properly this time... here's my plan, let me know what you think...

Week 1-10

250mg Test enanthate
200mg Equipoise
10mg Nolvadex Daily

Week 1-4

20mg Dianabol

Week 12 - 15

50mg of Clomid Daily

 

[xcelbeyond]

You may want to consider switching to test prop and something like anavar or winny for your last 2 - 3 weeks. This article will explain why http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1172

Beginning with PCT right after 10 weeks will not do anything as the gear has not cleared your system - at least enough for PCT to become effective.

 

[blackson]

PCT

OHH yeah... So Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection

 

[blackson]

Should I go with this cycle or do something different??

 

[VinNJ]

I did the same cycle last fall and was very happy with the results

 

[terryd5150]

Maybe I read it wrong...

Beginning with PCT right after 10 weeks will not do anything as the gear has not cleared your system - at least enough for PCT to become effective.

Xcel, it looked to me like his cycle ran 10 weeks and his clomid PCT was weeks 12-15. (Very well thought out for a first actual cycle.)

Blackson, I would wait until week 13 to run PCT for this cycle because of the long half-life of the EQ. If you are going to run an all clomid PCT you should run it at one week of 100mg/day followed by one week of 50mg/day for a total of 2 weeks of clomid instead of 3.

Run the nolvadex thoughout the whole time (even in between the cycle and PCT) and when PCT time comes run it at 40mgs/day the first week, 30mgs/day the next week, and 20mgs/day the last week.

So to sum up PCT it would look like this:

First week of PCT- Clomid 100mgs ED
Nolvadex 40mgs ED
Second week- Clomid 50mgs ED
Nolvadex 30mgs ED
Last week- Nolvadex 20mgs ED

That ought to get you through PCT.

Back to your cycle. I'm a big fan of using as little gear as possible to get results so I'm glad to see you starting out at reasonable doses; however, 250mgs of test is only going to be enough to shut down your body's own test production. At your weight you should probably run a minimum of 400mg/wk of test and I'd bump the EQ to 300mg/wk. The dbol may work for you at 20mgs ED, but if it doesn't don't hesitate to bump it to 30mgs ED.

Also, EQ is a drug that works best in longer cycles (12 weeks or more). By the time this drug is really kicking in good enough to be getting the best results you'd be coming off of it (at 10 weeks). Not that this drug won't show up in your system before then, it certainly will; it's just that this drug will really be starting to show you why people like it so much right around that time. Whatever cycle length you decide, begin the PCT outlined above three weeks after your last injection.

So to break it down for you it would go like this:

Weeks 1-12
400mg test
300mg EQ

Weeks 1-4
dbol 20/30mgs ED

Weeks 1-14
nolvadex 10mg ED

Week 15
begin nolvadex/clomid PCT

Keep your diet and training better than they've ever been during this time and I guarantee you will LOVE the results.

Best of luck and post some pics when you get done!

 

[xcelbeyond]

Xcel, it looked to me like his cycle ran 10 weeks and his clomid PCT was weeks 12-15. (Very well thought out for a first actual cycle.)

Read the posts - he edited his info AFTER I posted.

There's a HUGE difference between "then" and now. When I took my first cycle, I PYRAMIDED UP TO 250mg/wk. You say that's not enough to do anything? I had people walking up to me after I was on for 3 weeks asking me what the f*ck I was doing - are you taking steroids. I guess it looked pretty obvious

 

[Dave_19]

Honestly If I were you I would do a test only cycle. My 1st cycle was Test enath 200mg 3x week. For 600mg/week x 10 weeks. I gained about 30lbs, granted a lot was water weight. The thing is, unless your goal is to just get big for a short period of time. Your focus should be on gaining quality mass over a long period of time. You are young so if you bodybuild for the next 30 you don't want to have to keep upping the dose with each cycle to come, and adding more substances. Keep your focus on your training and diet. Add gear into the mix moderately, add a substance or up the dose when you’re starting to plateau with results.

Test only is a perfect beginner’s cycle. Do 500-600mg/week, and use Xcels PCT advise. Try a 10 weeker like that, train hard, eat strict, and see where you end up.

 

[terryd5150]

...I PYRAMIDED UP TO 250mg/wk. You say that's not enough to do anything? I had people walking up to me after I was on for 3 weeks asking me what the f*ck I was doing....

Yes, you are right to an extent. If you are new to AAS 250mg/wk will start you off well, that's actually how I started as well; however, eventually your body will shut down it's own test production (for me it was around weeks 4-5) thereby producing diminishing returns on your 250 mgs/wk. By the time you reach week 10 your body's own test production will have ceased leaving you with the only test in your system, the 250 mgs you shot.

That's not gonna be enough test in your system to make the gains you seek, all you've done is a simple HRT replacing your body's own test with an outside source of test.

So yes, I still recommend at his body weight at least 400mgs/wk of test.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I'm actually just so happy to see a starter cycle with SANE amounts of compounds! I think it looks like very good dosages to start out with. Also, with the test you always retain the option to bump it up a little towards the end when gains start to slow down. I did 300mg of test my first cycle and I made huge gains.

Listen to xcel and terry and get your timing all correct and I think youre looking at some good gains if you eat, sleep, and train well.

Looking forward to hearing your results.