Test or var for first (and ONLY) cycle?

[dccpcn]

Right now I am within 10-15 pounds of my end-all be all goal. I am 19 and haven't touched aas. I would like to use something to get to where I want to be faster. Make no mistake, this is the ONLY time I am ever going to use aas.

A good friend who is knowledgeable on the subject suggested a 12 week anavar cycle ramping from 30mg/day to 50mg/day, combined with peptides (ghrp-2 & mod grf which I currently am on), slin, comprehensive pct, and an extra meal/day.

My trainer doesn't like the above plan and told me it would ruin my lipid profile. He instead told me to go with 300-600mg test/week.

I'm hesitant to combine the var with something androgenic because I don't want to shut myself down so hard.

What does everybody think is safer? What is more effective?
Please nobody tell me I am too young, or to wait a few years to run aas, my mind is made up.

Thanks

 

[Big_Ed]

What are your stats now? If 10-15 pounds is all you will ever really want, then adjust your diet and not worry about using anything. You're 19 your natural test should be plenty to put on the pounds you want to be the "end all be all" that you seek.

 

[dbd1980]

Right now I am within 10-15 pounds of my end-all be all goal. I am 19 and haven't touched aas. I would like to use something to get to where I want to be faster. Make no mistake, this is the ONLY time I am ever going to use aas.

A good friend who is knowledgeable on the subject suggested a 12 week anavar cycle ramping from 30mg/day to 50mg/day, combined with peptides (ghrp-2 & mod grf which I currently am on), slin, comprehensive pct, and an extra meal/day.

My trainer doesn't like the above plan and told me it would ruin my lipid profile. He instead told me to go with 300-600mg test/week.

I'm hesitant to combine the var with something androgenic because I don't want to shut myself down so hard.

What does everybody think is safer? What is more effective?
Please nobody tell me I am too young, or to wait a few years to run aas, my mind is made up.

Thanks

Have you ever heard about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down you dig farting out the words. It was unlike anything anyone has ever heard.

This ass talk had sort of a gut frequency. It hit you right down there like you gotta go. You know when the old colon gives you the elbow and it feels sorta cold inside, and you know all you have to do is turn loose? Well this talking hit you right down there, a bubbly, thick stagnant sound, a sound you could smell.

This man worked for a carnival you dig, and to start with it was like a novelty ventriliquist act. Real funny, too, at first. He had a number he called “The Better ‘Ole” that was a scream. Most of it but it was clever. Like, “Oh I say, are you still down there, old thing?”

“Nah I had to go relieve myself.”

After a while the ass start talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared and his ass would ad-lib and toss the gags back at him every time.

Then it developed sort of teeth-like little raspy in-curving hooks and started eating. He thought this was cute at first and built an act around it, but the asshole would eat its way through his pants and start talking on the street, shouting out it wanted equal rights. It would get drunk, too, and have crying jags nobody loved it and it wanted to be kissed same as any other mouth. Finally it talked all the time day and night, you could hear him for blocks screaming at it to shut up, and beating it with his fist, and sticking candles up it, but nothing did any good and the asshole said to him: “It’s you who will shut up in the end. Not me. Because we dont need you around here any more. I can talk and eat and shit.”

After that he began waking up in the morning with a transparent jelly like a tadpole’s tail all over his mouth. This jelly was what the scientists call un-D.T., Undifferentiated Tissue, which can grow into any kind of flesh on the human body. He would tear it off his mouth and the pieces would stick to his hands like burning gasoline jelly and grow there, grow anywhere on him a glob of it fell. So finally his mouth sealed over, and the whole head would have have amputated spontaneous — (did you know there is a condition occurs in parts of Africa and only among Negroes where the little toe amputates spontaneously?) — except for the eyes you dig. Thats one thing the asshole couldn’t do was see. It needed the eyes. But nerve connections were blocked and infiltrated and atrophied so the brain couldn’t give orders any more. It was trapped in the skull, sealed off. For a while you could see the silent, helpless suffering of the brain behind the eyes, then finally the brain must have died, because the eyes went out, and there was no more feeling in them than a crab’s eyes on the end of a stalk.

 

[jdchaffin]

Have you ever heard about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down you dig farting out the words. It was unlike anything anyone has ever heard.

This ass talk had sort of a gut frequency. It hit you right down there like you gotta go. You know when the old colon gives you the elbow and it feels sorta cold inside, and you know all you have to do is turn loose? Well this talking hit you right down there, a bubbly, thick stagnant sound, a sound you could smell.

This man worked for a carnival you dig, and to start with it was like a novelty ventriliquist act. Real funny, too, at first. He had a number he called “The Better ‘Ole” that was a scream. Most of it but it was clever. Like, “Oh I say, are you still down there, old thing?”

“Nah I had to go relieve myself.”

After a while the ass start talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared and his ass would ad-lib and toss the gags back at him every time.

Then it developed sort of teeth-like little raspy in-curving hooks and started eating. He thought this was cute at first and built an act around it, but the asshole would eat its way through his pants and start talking on the street, shouting out it wanted equal rights. It would get drunk, too, and have crying jags nobody loved it and it wanted to be kissed same as any other mouth. Finally it talked all the time day and night, you could hear him for blocks screaming at it to shut up, and beating it with his fist, and sticking candles up it, but nothing did any good and the asshole said to him: “It’s you who will shut up in the end. Not me. Because we dont need you around here any more. I can talk and eat and shit.”

After that he began waking up in the morning with a transparent jelly like a tadpole’s tail all over his mouth. This jelly was what the scientists call un-D.T., Undifferentiated Tissue, which can grow into any kind of flesh on the human body. He would tear it off his mouth and the pieces would stick to his hands like burning gasoline jelly and grow there, grow anywhere on him a glob of it fell. So finally his mouth sealed over, and the whole head would have have amputated spontaneous — (did you know there is a condition occurs in parts of Africa and only among Negroes where the little toe amputates spontaneously?) — except for the eyes you dig. Thats one thing the asshole couldn’t do was see. It needed the eyes. But nerve connections were blocked and infiltrated and atrophied so the brain couldn’t give orders any more. It was trapped in the skull, sealed off. For a while you could see the silent, helpless suffering of the brain behind the eyes, then finally the brain must have died, because the eyes went out, and there was no more feeling in them than a crab’s eyes on the end of a stalk.

what......

 

[jackdiggler]

what......

I want what he's on !! WTF

 

[Quad-smack]

dbd1980 just took a long-winded (and albeit obscure) way to say the OP was talking out of his a$$ and it was a bunch of sh!t...

dccpcn - if you have a good friend that is knowledgeable and a trainer - why in the world are you asking us? A bunch of guys that are total strangers...
BTW - both of those compounds are suppressive to the HPTA - you will be shut down regardless.
If you really want some help, how about you post up some stats & pics as well as a sample day of your diet. Also your weekly training split with sets/reps/training scheme...

 

[natabolic]

Right now I am within 10-15 pounds of my end-all be all goal. I am 19 and haven't touched aas. I would like to use something to get to where I want to be faster. Make no mistake, this is the ONLY time I am ever going to use aas.

A good friend who is knowledgeable on the subject suggested a 12 week anavar cycle ramping from 30mg/day to 50mg/day, combined with peptides (ghrp-2 & mod grf which I currently am on), slin, comprehensive pct, and an extra meal/day.

My trainer doesn't like the above plan and told me it would ruin my lipid profile. He instead told me to go with 300-600mg test/week.

I'm hesitant to combine the var with something androgenic because I don't want to shut myself down so hard.

What does everybody think is safer? What is more effective?
Please nobody tell me I am too young, or to wait a few years to run aas, my mind is made up.

Thanks

LOL @ only one cycle... theres no such thing.

as quad-smack said, both compounds (and anything that really works) are both suppressive.

id go with test. i have a lot more to say than that.. but.. you said you wanted a no bullshit, straight up answer. test @ 300-400 mgs/w is enough, a lot of food, good hard training, and recovery. GOOD PCT, and youll be happy.

again, i could say a lot more.. but thats my straight up answer.

...again, lol @ only one cycle.

 

[gstracer]

imo if your only gonna do one cycle which i doubt once you do your first but that besides the point. i would do
500mg test E 1-12 weeks
50mg var 1-12 weeks

how i look at it your first is always your best so get the most out of it and you wont be disappointed. some people will say var for 12 weeks will mess up liver values and im not saying they wont but var is prolly the easiest on the liver but if your nervous then do the var for 6 weeks then stop. but this cycle with the right eating should get you up 15 pounds in 12 weeks or more so good luck and show us some stats ad pics.

 

[kid1dakota]

I would gain it naturally as it would be much easier to maintain as you are not interested in future cycles.Also no need that is a very do able goal with diet and training especially at your age.good luck,just bust your ass.

 

[nickman1978]

i agree with the last post. You can achieve that goal naturally. The pounds that you put on will be much more maintainable. Useing roids you will most likely lose a few pounds after pct.

work hard and by the time u r 20 u should have reached ur goal.....

 

[nukeM]

Right now I am within 10-15 pounds of my end-all be all goal. I am 19 and haven't touched aas. I would like to use something to get to where I want to be faster. Make no mistake, this is the ONLY time I am ever going to use aas.

A good friend who is knowledgeable on the subject suggested a 12 week anavar cycle ramping from 30mg/day to 50mg/day, combined with peptides (ghrp-2 & mod grf which I currently am on), slin, comprehensive pct, and an extra meal/day.

My trainer doesn't like the above plan and told me it would ruin my lipid profile. He instead told me to go with 300-600mg test/week.

I'm hesitant to combine the var with something androgenic because I don't want to shut myself down so hard.

What does everybody think is safer? What is more effective?
Please nobody tell me I am too young, or to wait a few years to run aas, my mind is made up.
1 cycle? your gains are gonna leave,very quickly,that I can promise you.

Thanks

At 19 I could easily eat more and attain this goal.1 extra meal isnt gonna do it even w/the drugs
Otherwise follow your "trainers advice".No aas isnt gonna shut you down hard,thats a part of the game your playing at 19,as you want to exceed your natural levels.Play & pay or go the natty way & gain over time.
Slin? for someone w/a very long training & aas history ,yes .Thats THE most dangerous thing your doing.
And doing 1 cycle,watch how fast your gains leave