The preworkout thread

[Heath82]

Has anyone tried Justin Harris w.t.f. Preworkout?

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Has anyone tried Justin Harris w.t.f. Preworkout?

One of my favs.
I rotate between WTF, Gorilla Mode, any Nutra Bio preWO as well as the new Chemix PreWO v3

 

[cracker backer]

One of my favs.
I rotate between WTF, Gorilla Mode, any Nutra Bio preWO as well as the new Chemix PreWO v3

funny, just bought some WTF and used for the first time on Saturday - was really impressed by it and was thinking to myself I should post about it on this thread. I also like the Gorilla mode a lot and usually rotate it in with 2 others. Rotation now will be WTF, Gorilla Mode, and Core's Fury pre (which is good, but not "great")

 

[pistonpump]

With the wtf, what makes it good ? Energy or pump or is it both

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

I threw a lot of samples out at competitions I've competed at. Mainly bc of too much caffeine and or didn't feel like looking up each ingredient on sample packs.

Usually it's black and green tea mixed. Earlier in day sipped and mixed with water over a couple hours five days a week at work. On the two days have off it's blk and grn tea maybe 100-200 mgs max.

 

[marssel]

I tried Naughty Boy´s "The Drip" and did not like it at all, it made me feel alert and at the same time like I was on some kind of downer, which I can only attribute to the Kanna Ease.

Naughty Boy The Drip

THE DRIP (40 Servings) is a comprehensive fat burner loaded with a fully transparent panel of ingredients, including six patented ingredients. THE DRIP was formulated to give you long lasting energy, supreme focus and the feeling of euphoria. THE DRIP contains ingredients which will help your...

naughtyboylifestyle.com

For those not wanting the stimmed out feeling, these supplements on their own have a mild but noticeable effect in my case, they also have other positive effects if you want to research them:

ALCAR 1.5 to 2g
Rhodiola Rosea 500mg 8:1 extract plus 150mg Siberian Ginseng 10:1 extract, I rather like this combination
2000mg / 2500mg of fresh Royal Jelly (ampoules in my case)


I read Mike Arnold talking about Astragin and how it greatly improves the absorption of EAA´s in point 22 of this thread:

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/the-most-effective-eaa-supplement-for-bodybuilders-prosynthesis-17.176638/

So I decided to do a little experiment, I purchased this product: https://es.iherb.com/pr/nutrabio-labs-upsorb-60-capsules/123304 and I tried it with 3g of Taurine, a dosage that normally has no noticeable effect in me, well fuck me, taken with the Upsorb those 3g of Taurine became almost unbearable, I felt stimulated but in an off kind of way, not a nice feeling, I repeated this the following day with the same results so I can say what Mike says about Astragin is true, I will take it religiously whenever I consume EAA´s.

I know Ghost ousts Astragin in all it’s BCAA/EAA products so I guess that’s why. How do you feel royal jelly help fat burning? I think 7-Keto DHEA is a good non stim fat burner.

 

[Nyoco]

I know Ghost ousts Astragin in all it’s BCAA/EAA products so I guess that’s why. How do you feel royal jelly help fat burning? I think 7-Keto DHEA is a good non stim fat burner.

Hi Marssel, I took Royal Jelly for the stimulant effects mainly, it does seem to have many other good properties if you look it up, I never heard it mentioned for fat loss, but doing a search this came up:

Effects of Royal Jelly and Tocotrienol Rich Fraction in obesity treatment of calorie-restricted obese rats: a focus on white fat browning properties and thermogenic capacity - Nutrition & Metabolism

Background Obesity has reached an alarming rate worldwide. Promoting thermogenesis via increasing the function of brown adipose tissue (BAT) or white adipose tissue (WAT) browning has been proposed as a new protective approach against obesity. The goal of this study was to evaluate the effects...

nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com

It´s a murine model study and everythingh seems to work on those lucky bastards, so to be taken with a pich of salt.

Effects of Royal Jelly Supplementation on Body Weight and Dietary Intake in Type 2 Diabetic Females

Background: The objective of the current study was to assess the effects of royal jelly supple-mentation on body weight, total daily energy and macronutrients intakes in type2 diabetic fe-males. Methods: In this randomized clinical trial, fifty female ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This one is in humans and has very interesting results, for those averse to studies I will copy paste:

Results: Royal jelly supplementation significantly (P<0.01) decreased the mean body weight (72.45±4.42 vs. 71.00±6.44 kg) while it increased insignificantly in placebo group (73.02±6.44 vs 73.52±6.80 kg). Royal jelly supplementation resulted in significant decrease of mean daily total energy (P<0.01) and carbohydrate (P<0.01) intakes, while in placebo group the mean daily total energy and fat intakes were increased significantly (P<0.05).

Conclusion: Supplementation with royal jelly may be beneficial in weight management of di-abetic patients.

Different doses (500 mg or 1 or 2 g) of royal jelly supplementation in male swimmers, 5 days a week for 4 weeks did not decrease body weight, BMI and body fat mass [20]. But royal jelly supplementation in young football players led to significant increase of body weight and muscle component, and significant decrease of fat component after 8 weeks [19]. We could not compare our findings with the results of previous studies because their studies had been carried out in sportsmen and they emphasized on body composition, however observed positive effects of royal jelly supplementation on weight managements in studies in vivo and in viter may be due to increasing oxygen metabolism, respiration and oxidative phosphorylation [17] , furthermore 10H2DA of royal jelly activated TRPA1 (Transient receptor potential ankyrin 1) and TRPV1 (vanilloid1) which inducing thermogenesis and energy expenditure [16] and inhibiting pancreatic lipase activity consequently decreasing fat absorption from intestine [15] .

The observed body weight reduction in supplemented group can be justified by aforementioned mechanisms, since in the present study the mean daily total energy intake decreased significantly in supplemented group (P< 0/05), weight reduction may be due to decrease in mean daily total energy intake, however, other mechanisms such as appetite suppression may be involved in weight control in the supplemented group.

In conclusion, our findings revealed that royal jelly supplementation led to significant mean daily total energy intake and body weight reduction. Although, based on the results of the present study, supplementation with royal jelly may be beneficial in weight management for diabetic patients; further studies are needed to achieve precise results.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

I threw a lot of samples out at competitions I've competed at. Mainly bc of too much caffeine and or didn't feel like looking up each ingredient on sample packs.

Usually it's black and green tea mixed. Earlier in day sipped and mixed with water over a couple hours five days a week at work. On the two days have off it's blk and grn tea maybe 100-200 mgs max.

I’m with you here man. It’s funny how difficult it can be these days to find a solid pre that has less than 350-400mg of caffeine per serving. It’s why I just make my own now lol.

 

[whacked]

Have they come out an any replacements to DMAA and DMHA?

I know you can still get both - but those 2 are in a league of its own.

Other than whatever illegal crap they are adding to the popular stuff (like OG version of Craze), nothing new really impresses me these days.

 

[marssel]

Hi Marssel, I took Royal Jelly for the stimulant effects mainly, it does seem to have many other good properties if you look it up, I never heard it mentioned for fat loss, but doing a search this came up:

Effects of Royal Jelly and Tocotrienol Rich Fraction in obesity treatment of calorie-restricted obese rats: a focus on white fat browning properties and thermogenic capacity - Nutrition & Metabolism

Background Obesity has reached an alarming rate worldwide. Promoting thermogenesis via increasing the function of brown adipose tissue (BAT) or white adipose tissue (WAT) browning has been proposed as a new protective approach against obesity. The goal of this study was to evaluate the effects...

nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com

It´s a murine model study and everythingh seems to work on those lucky bastards, so to be taken with a pich of salt.

Effects of Royal Jelly Supplementation on Body Weight and Dietary Intake in Type 2 Diabetic Females

Background: The objective of the current study was to assess the effects of royal jelly supple-mentation on body weight, total daily energy and macronutrients intakes in type2 diabetic fe-males. Methods: In this randomized clinical trial, fifty female ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This one is in humans and has very interesting results, for those averse to studies I will copy paste:

Results: Royal jelly supplementation significantly (P<0.01) decreased the mean body weight (72.45±4.42 vs. 71.00±6.44 kg) while it increased insignificantly in placebo group (73.02±6.44 vs 73.52±6.80 kg). Royal jelly supplementation resulted in significant decrease of mean daily total energy (P<0.01) and carbohydrate (P<0.01) intakes, while in placebo group the mean daily total energy and fat intakes were increased significantly (P<0.05).

Conclusion: Supplementation with royal jelly may be beneficial in weight management of di-abetic patients.

Different doses (500 mg or 1 or 2 g) of royal jelly supplementation in male swimmers, 5 days a week for 4 weeks did not decrease body weight, BMI and body fat mass [20]. But royal jelly supplementation in young football players led to significant increase of body weight and muscle component, and significant decrease of fat component after 8 weeks [19]. We could not compare our findings with the results of previous studies because their studies had been carried out in sportsmen and they emphasized on body composition, however observed positive effects of royal jelly supplementation on weight managements in studies in vivo and in viter may be due to increasing oxygen metabolism, respiration and oxidative phosphorylation [17] , furthermore 10H2DA of royal jelly activated TRPA1 (Transient receptor potential ankyrin 1) and TRPV1 (vanilloid1) which inducing thermogenesis and energy expenditure [16] and inhibiting pancreatic lipase activity consequently decreasing fat absorption from intestine [15] .

The observed body weight reduction in supplemented group can be justified by aforementioned mechanisms, since in the present study the mean daily total energy intake decreased significantly in supplemented group (P< 0/05), weight reduction may be due to decrease in mean daily total energy intake, however, other mechanisms such as appetite suppression may be involved in weight control in the supplemented group.

In conclusion, our findings revealed that royal jelly supplementation led to significant mean daily total energy intake and body weight reduction. Although, based on the results of the present study, supplementation with royal jelly may be beneficial in weight management for diabetic patients; further studies are needed to achieve precise results.

Interesting I have taken royal jelly and raise my own bees, I’m a big believer in all things bees and health, even the dying seems beneficial. Just never tried for fat loss. Thanks.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Have they come out an any replacements to DMAA and DMHA?

I know you can still get both - but those 2 are in a league of its own.

Other than whatever illegal crap they are adding to the popular stuff (like OG version of Craze), nothing new really impresses me these days.

Not to my knowledge then again I don't keep up with supplements too much now a days. Mike Arnold has some potent stuff, I've heard. Don't quote me in it. In fact got some dmaa from his line, a few years back, haven't used it much.

Like ephedrine dmaa raises dopamine and noradrenaline , which drugs like these , are best saved toward the last weeks going into a competition. I used to ephedrine in twenties and thirties ,sometimes 2-3 months before competition date but learned it was unnecessary, and as in early forties, don't want the extra heartbeats.

 

[Nyoco]

After reading some very positive reviews on Reddit, I´ve been taking 100mg of Polygala Tenuifolia sublingually once a day, (Mon-Fri) for the past three weeks and really like it, it´s not strong by any means, but I feel more mentally focused and alert, with a slight mood and libido elevation, the effect also kicks in rather rapidly and in me lasts around four to five hours. I know some here are averse to Reddit, but I encourage anyone looking for a smooth and clean lift me up, or with anxiety / depression to go and have a read, It´s inexpensive so worth a try, also go sublingual if you decide to try it, the taste isn´t bad at all and it´s more efficacious.

 

[showstopper83]

ok now this thread i LOVE

ok here we go

betancourt bullnox- love the stuff, good energy good pump, tastes great

kai greens new dynamix- this is one of the worst I've ever tried, jittery, dizzy after some sets too

pre script- this is one of the best, insane fullness and vascularity, excellent energy and focus

an oldie but goodie- Cellcucor c4- always easy on the stomach for me, dose the job

God of War- insane energy, tastes awful, great pumps, and insane crash too

God of rage- slightly better, insane crash tho too

Pyrie- another 1,3 one, insane crash

Amp stim- this is one nice pre cardio, too much tho honestly feels like viagra its crazy for libido

blackstone labs angel dust v2- tastes great, nothing great though, waste

purus labs condense- always amazing taste, good pump, good clean energy

evogen evp plus- always a fav for pumps, good focus too, nothing crazy for energy though

vpx no shotgun- weak on energy , formula on paper is amazing though

Axiom- decent overall, its ok

iforce max out- great taste, cherry limeade, excellent focus and pump

betancourt pumpd- stupid pumps, no stims can be stacked with anything

The betan court bullnox stuff i can vouch for, excellent stuff

 

[marssel]

EVOGEN EVP AQ is stim free but gives me insane pumps, sessions, and even strength goes up

 

[Dens228]

I really like the three different versions of Hyde from ProSupps.
My only complaint is they have small diameter containers and are trying to set the record for shortest handles on the scoop in the industry.....lol