The whole "70s guys didnt abuse drugs" is a bunch of BS

[Whole F'n Show]

Agree 100 percent just by reading the thread title. They may not have been using slin or gh, but they were mega-dosing, they just didn't know it.

 

[turbobusa]

LOVE THIS SUBJECT!!!! I am dear friends with a Pumping Iron Legend named Leon Brown. I've known him for over thirty years and I can call him right now! and he has Arnolds private number and could call him RIGHT NOW!! I cant beleve you guys REALLLY THINK! that those guys abused drugs or used huge dosages. How could Arnold use huge doses and be only 235 at six two!! How is it that every Mr Olympia from 76 to 84 was UNDER 200LBS!! (Zane, Bannout Dickerson!) There was NO superheavyweight class, in the NPC, no gyno till 1981, no kidney transplants, no reported hospital visits (drug related) no acne! and no DEATHS! no pro show other than the O till 1979!!?? Come on. Gunther was 6'2 and 299 contest weight! compare those stats to Arnold!
Heres the answer: THEY TOOK THE DOSES THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET THE JOB DONE AND NOTHING MORE! Once they got to a certain size they looked to refine their look! NOT ENLARGE IT! It was a totlly different mentality back then! Most of us in the little mom and pop gyms barely knew drugs existed!, and it was ALL American or European HUMAN PHARM GRADE! when we found out. 300-500mgs of Deca, 10-30mgs Dbol WAS ALOT! back then and I'm confident that those physiques were built on doses like that .
Why did Serge Nubret look amazing till his death (70 yrs old) and Robby Robinson (60's), Ferrigno ,Gary Strydom, Bill Grant all look amazing for their age or ANY age! cause of huge doses!? Come on now Get Real!

I agree with most of what you said. The only thing is I saw a lot of gyno back.Remember though the ancilliaries were much more limited so that is probably not dose dependant .Gary strydom came along a while later than the afore mentioned bbers. Thats all, Thanks.. T

 

[sarcoplasm]

Thanks Bro.
I know Strydom came later but listed him because he still looks good even though he retired many years ago I dont think that would be the case if he took huge doses and abused gear. Obviously gear doses increased over time, just like many aspects of many sports/disciplines

I agree with most of what you said. The only thing is I saw a lot of gyno back.Remember though the ancilliaries were much more limited so that is probably not dose dependant .Gary strydom came along a while later than the afore mentioned bbers. Thats all, Thanks.. T

 

[themingo]

I really doubt they abused in dosages. im sure they would use what ever the could get there hands on but I doubt dosage abuse. besides you have to take in consideration the lifestyle, diet and routine they had before. not to many body builders back then did carb cycling. maybe a bake potato here and there, maybe rice and possibaly some kind of cream of wheat, maybe. im sure they had there occasional pig out day. but for the most part, they were relatively low carb. so between the long multiple training sessions, swimming and occasional jogging it would be pretty hard to pack on crazy mass.

 

[turbobusa]

True sarco. Strydom does look great. Was one of my favs. Man when he was on a roll for a while he was tearing it up. Towards the end he managed to bring his back up somewhat. Thanks, T

 

[paloboi]

its pretty much known for a fact arnold was hitting several 100mg of dbol a day at times he gave advice to many pro wrestlers of that era and they was running 200-300mg a day so why wouldn't he follow his own advice.?

 

[Performance Based]

I used to train at the original metroflex, ALOT of older guys still around over there and I mean people that were hitting the gym hard in the 60s-70s...

Ive talked to a few in depth, they feel sorry for our generation essentially... Not knowing WTF we are really getting when they would just go into the pharmacy and buy legit stuff....

Several were taking GRAMS of deca and dbol every week. I think a few mentioned 3ML vials of deca... Said they thought it was a daily dosage since it was such a small vial...

 

[gulfcoast]

I will call BS on some of this but of course there is no proof to support either side of the argument.

All I know is that if u were around the game in the 80s and had access to Ciba DBol and Syntex A50, the thought of somebody taking 100s of mgs ED of either of them seems ludicrous but I'm sure some probably did it.

 

[MightyJohn]

I'm friends with someone that won the America in the early 80's and he told Me his bulk cycle was 30mg ciba dbol(which he claims there's NOTHING out now as strong as) and 400-600 deca wk...the cycle lasted 10yrs only thing changed was his diet

 

[turbobusa]

I knew one guy in particlar that would do 5-6 syntex a50s for extended periods of time. He was big and strong no doubt especially for his age
19-20. That was the most jaundiced guy I'd ever seen. I mean really
yellow. He attended a local private college and really had a lot of jokes directed towards him due to his color. His "lifting career" lasted about 3 yrs.. T

 

[morphias]

My doctor in 1972 was the same that took care of Frank Zane and many others.He placed me on a stack that he said he had just put Frank on that day,10 ciba dbal each day, 500mg test a week plus 100mgs of A bombs a day and 500 deca week.In three weeks my side was hurting so bad I could not lay on it.I went to an internal medicine specialist at Cigna who had me scanned .The results,a serious liver inflamation.I was 22 at the time.I dumped the tabs and never used again until I was in my late thirties.I was one that could not use the tabs but injectibles work fine.I will tell you in a pm the doctors name,he also took care of olympic competitors.

 

[sarcoplasm]

PM Sent.
Funny, You attribute those doseages to one of the smallest bodybuilders of his day, one who's physique changed little from year to year (in, terms of mass primarily) and also mention test and anadrol in his cycle. Granted the only ones who know what these guys took is THEM but if they ABUSED! gear WHERE ARE THE SIDES WE SEE TODAY!!???

My doctor in 1972 was the same that took care of Frank Zane and many others.He placed me on a stack that he said he had just put Frank on that day,10 ciba dbal each day, 500mg test a week plus 100mgs of A bombs a day and 500 deca week.In three weeks my side was hurting so bad I could not lay on it.I went to an internal medicine specialist at Cigna who had me scanned .The results,a serious liver inflamation.I was 22 at the time.I dumped the tabs and never used again until I was in my late thirties.I was one that could not use the tabs but injectibles work fine.I will tell you in a pm the doctors name,he also took care of olympic competitors.

 

[Bio]

He also told me Arnold has been on dialysis since the age of 35.

This is one of those myths that's been floating around for some time....Almost as along as..."I heard Arnold used XXXXmg of ZZZZ a day!"

Be smart people!! Dying young is not glamorous!!

 

[tr]

My uncle was competing in 90-95. The guys here (in Europe) took mainly dbol and deca (retabolil brand name here), took 6-8 tabs diabol and 1amp retabolil (it was 50mg/ml) ed before competition, was training 6 days per week 2-3 hours in the gym and precontest ate basically chicken, egg whites, rice was ripped to shredds had 49cm biceps onstage...in the offseason he even lowered his dosages but ate like a horse, everything in sight
now guys cruise twice on more than this and train 3 times a week no more than 30 min because are afraid of overtraining and eat like a bird because are afraid of getting fat and wants to gain only lean muscle... at the end 50 percent of them looks like natural after years of training and gruising on 500-1000mg

 

[kal el]

I never took ciba Dball, but i believe is a very strong. Because here in my country Dominican Republic exist Anabolex from Ethical Pharmaceuticals since the 80s and is pharm grade. Come in just 3mg tabs, 100tabs for box, when you took this products in just small doses of 20mg or less, you gain weight fast!, Your lifts increase fast too and the pump in your lower back muscle is very painfull, and everybody repord the same side effects and positive effects.
Excuse my english.

 

[turbobusa]

My doctor in 1972 was the same that took care of Frank Zane and many others.He placed me on a stack that he said he had just put Frank on that day,10 ciba dbal each day, 500mg test a week plus 100mgs of A bombs a day and 500 deca week.In three weeks my side was hurting so bad I could not lay on it.I went to an internal medicine specialist at Cigna who had me scanned .The results,a serious liver inflamation.I was 22 at the time.I dumped the tabs and never used again until I was in my late thirties.I was one that could not use the tabs but injectibles work fine.I will tell you in a pm the doctors name,he also took care of olympic competitors.

That doctors last name start with a w?
There was a doctor in northern, Ill in the late 70s very early 80s. He would write for 6 anadrol daily. He also claimed winstrol was much more toxic.
There was america/universe winner at that time that went from tiny to really packing a lot of muscle. Fairly sure that was his doc too.
Anyway thats it for me. This thread is becoming burnt to a crisp.
Thanks, T

 

[Dezzy]

PM Sent.
Funny, You attribute those doseages to one of the smallest bodybuilders of his day, one who's physique changed little from year to year (in, terms of mass primarily) and also mention test and anadrol in his cycle. Granted the only ones who know what these guys took is THEM but if they ABUSED! gear WHERE ARE THE SIDES WE SEE TODAY!!???

Yea where is the rampant gyno/water retention if these guys where mega dosing? I think the physiques we saw in the 60's and 70's was a combination of hard training, great diets, clean living, and pharm grade 100% legit gear in small to moderate doses. Also I think Arnold liked d-bol a lot earlier in his career but as he built more mass he stuck to anavar, primo, (i have heard rumors of test suspension as well don't know if its true). I also think they took a good amount of time off between cycles. Because I have examined a lot of the old photos and you see them vary in size a lot through the months and years if you pay attention. Oh and I think most of them ate clean and low carb according to ric dracin. This is my theory.