All the ancillaries needed, even for low dosages, makes me think maybe trest ain't for me. Maybe further down the road!Because of trest being a synthetic progestin AND a very strong estrogen….I’d reccomend having a DHT in there. Masteron makes the most sense, being more boob specific on downregulating progesterone and estrogen receptor activity. And it can lower prolactin in rats.
If it was my first rodeo with Trest, I’d start with something like a true TRT dose, say 100mg test, 10-20mg TREST, 200-300 mast, and slowly ramp up the test and trest until you get estrogen problems.
Have aromasin and raloxifine on hand also. If your estrogen/progesterone sensitive, maby have like 30mg Ralxo running in the background at the beginning
There's a source that has an decanoate ester they also sell aminos . HintIs there a reason why it seems Ace is so much more common than the enanthate version?
This thread is getting me interested I'm just too lazy to pin ED lol
There's a source that has an decanoate ester they also sell aminos . Hint
I consider 50-75 mg/day to be a MAX dosage. 10-25 mg/day (20-50 mg EOD) is much more reasonable for most people.I remember when this first became popular and the recommended does was anywhere from 10mg - 25mg a day. Now that more have used it and there are more reviews I remember Mike Arnold changed his thoughts on the dosage and now says anything from 50mg - 75mgs a day. I originally started at 50 then bumped to 100. I am only on 250-300 mgs of test.
Just finished my first 10ml vial of 100mg/ml - 7 more vials to go
You don't need to pin ED eve with the ace version. EOD is fine. 3X/week is fine. Even 2X/week will work.Is there a reason why it seems Ace is so much more common than the enanthate version?
This thread is getting me interested I'm just too lazy to pin ED lol
Yeah, tren can be light or dark. It just oxidizes so damn fast. The quicker it is bottled and capped, the lighter it will be. The longer it sits out exposed to air, the darker it will get.Not tough at all one of the best tren I used back in my days of competition looked just as light if not lighter than test
Tren gets darker the more you cook it. Don't let the color fool you
Oh, there are certainly other MOA's responsible for trest's estrogenic effects. There's no doubt about that. Otherwise, conventional AI treatment would solve the problem. This is why I normally just recommend ralox when using trest. It won't get rid of the sub-q water, but at least it will help keep gyno at bay. Mast appears to be helpful in mitigating trest's estrogenic sides, as well. I would be very interested in seeing how a ralox-mast combo treats those who previously struggled with estrogenic side effects from trestolone.By the way guys - it is VERY LIKELY Arimidex, Letro, and AROMASIN do NOTHING for Trestolone estrogen.
i'm sure you guys have seen comments saying " I was taking Arimidex 1mg everyday on Trest and still had high estrogen symptoms"
Nandrolone probably converts to estrogen, not through the action of aromatase, but through the action of organic acids or alkalines in the body that act on nandrolone after it is converted to its 1-beta hydroxylated derivative. This means that estrogen inhibitors like Arimidex, which decrease the activity of aromatase, may not stop nandrolone from aromatizing to estrogen
Another theory is Trestolone converts to Estrogen through the liver and not adipose tissue.
this is all speculation but i am very confident in my theory.
Always love when u chime in Mike. Really appreciate your expertise. I was running 15mg daily but didn't notice much so yesterday I bumped it up to 25mg ED.I consider 50-75 mg/day to be a MAX dosage. 10-25 mg/day (20-50 mg EOD) is much more reasonable for most people.
Oh, there are certainly other MOA's responsible for trest's estrogenic effects. There's no doubt about that. Otherwise, conventional AI treatment would solve the problem. This is why I normally just recommend ralox when using trest. It won't get rid of the sub-q water, but at least it will help keep gyno at bay. Mast appears to be helpful in mitigating trest's estrogenic sides, as well. I would be very interested in seeing how a ralox-mast combo treats those who previously struggled with estrogenic side effects from trestolone.
Exactly brotherYeah, tren can be light or dark. It just oxidizes so damn fast. The quicker it is bottled and capped, the lighter it will be. The longer it sits out exposed to air, the darker it will get.
Oh, there are certainly other MOA's responsible for trest's estrogenic effects. There's no doubt about that. Otherwise, conventional AI treatment would solve the problem. This is why I normally just recommend ralox when using trest. It won't get rid of the sub-q water, but at least it will help keep gyno at bay. Mast appears to be helpful in mitigating trest's estrogenic sides, as well. I would be very interested in seeing how a ralox-mast combo treats those who previously struggled with estrogenic side effects from trestolone.
Does oxidation have any effect on the effectiveness?Yeah, tren can be light or dark. It just oxidizes so damn fast. The quicker it is bottled and capped, the lighter it will be. The longer it sits out exposed to air, the darker it will get.
Annddd you trest newbies….MENt HAS to have some non-estrogenic pathway to totally fuck up BP. Like go from 120/65 to 160/90 in two weeks.
@Type-IIx might have hypothesis’s on why….but it’s not just water retention doing it….I can be gaining at a nice 1-1.5lbs a week and my BP gets fucked at 30mg daily. Telimisartsn +nebivolol required past 20mg ED
And guys that say “oh it didn’t bother me”…I’d bet the fucking farm half of them don’t have a home electronic BP monitor.
Hey Mike, do you think Test is helpful or necessary with Trest50mg/day? I was thinking of maybe 50 Trest with 100 Test E and 30mg Test Prop daily? Any thoughts on this? Thank you Bro!I consider 50-75 mg/day to be a MAX dosage. 10-25 mg/day (20-50 mg EOD) is much more reasonable for most people.