xcelbeyond said:
Not trying to be an ass here - but have you really tried to diet? Do you understand the importance of nutrition in bodybuilding.
No I appreciate any input offered, and none of it need be sugar coated. My feelings don't get hurt very easily
I'll put up with any amount of ribbing to find out what I need to know from those who are far beyond me in terms of knowledge and experience, not to mention results.
The truthful answer would be not as much as I should, but I have been learning, and have more disciplined my eating habits. Ive sincerely noticed the result in the gym both in terms of my energy and strength during workouts (I used to burn out quickly, and it was all diet related). Ive also grown more in the past eight months than I have ever done before. Up till now I have never done an AS cycle.
DNP is a "quick" fix, not a permanant solution. I've never used it so this info is just FYI.
I sincerely do understand that point. Im not a yo yo dieter, or ordinarily seeeking a quick fix.
This is more information than I wanted to give, but here is the more complete truth. Since puberty Ive had a sort of gyno especially on the left side of my chest. There are no hard lumps at least I dont think so, although it does feel different under my left nipple than it does under my right. When I press under my right nipple everything feels smooth and soft. When I press under my left one I feel something "different" Not one hard lump but a series of hard ridges almost. In any case I just started self medicating with 60 mg nolva daily, 20mg three times a day. I have definitely noticed some improvement on the right side. Nipples less puffy and pointing, almost perfect actually.
The left side though may be improving, but harder to tell because no matter how lean I have ever been (and because of this condition I purposely emaciated myself when I was younger trying to get rid of it) there is always a fat pocket underneath and to the left of the nipple that wont go away.
So now Im resolved to get rid of this one way or the other. Even further chest development (and its been growing nicely otherwise) only further accentuates the deformity. If this doesnt work Im going for surgery, although Im hoping that will be unnecessary.
Anyway to lose 25lbs , maybe a little more, responibly would take me I think to long. I dont want to be on nolva for three to four months, and it is hard to tell if it is working properly carrying this much extra weight on my frame. It seems to be working now, but unless I start losing fat it will be hard to measure the benefit reasonably.
I know taking DNP isnt the best idea out there, and it does make me uncomfortable. But I like it somewhat better than paying someone 5k to cut me up and risk (however slight) his further deforming my chest.
Since it's so HARD on your body, I would not expose it to either clen or ephedrine/ephedra while using it. I didn't think that DNP was catabolic. I understand it zaps your energy and it make it very difficult to workout. Now, no workout is catabolic
Maybe my understanding of the term is mistaken. I am under the impression that anti catabolic means muscle sparing, and would help me burn fat with more minimal muscle loss than I could otherwise hope for. Is that correct?
I wouldn't waste IGF-1 when taking DNP.
My vote is to still try and lose via "diet." If bodybuilding is your goal, you're gonna need to perfect it - can't just take a pill whenever you need to drop BF.
Ill take your advice about the IGF. Wasnt crazy about the idea. Just Ive been working hard for my muscle gains and know a good amount will be lost when I diet. I expect its unavoidable. I had read that IGF prevented the body from breaking down muscle during dieting and forced it to burn fat instead. But Im not looking to stack this diet with anything more than neccessary and the point is taken that DNP is hard enough on the body all by itself. Ill drop the clen as well.
Thanks for your help.
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