Had the opportunity this weekend to hang out with my IFBB Pro friend Jimmy Mentis , Lee Apearsen and Dexter Jackson. The all told me that the pros are no longer using SLIN. They just can not get ripped up on it. They also told me taht before you start a cycle like 750mg/wk Test, 600mg/wk EQ you should do 50mg/ EOD of Winny. They said you should do this for 2-3 weeks . The anabolic will get eveything geared up for the big push. Any of you start this way?