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Interesting thread, I have been saying for years maybe donating blood isn't the answer. I think I know why this issue exists with bodybuilders, it's not the AAS. Without specific blood disorders, testosterone won't raise RBCs dangerously high with proper blood volume.
Most bodybuilders train in such a way that maximizes RBC production. Sustained cardiovascular exercise is required for maximum blood volume. Doing essentially interval training (most lifting) and maximizing RBC production without concurrently maximizing blood volume with aerobic training can put someone with high crit even higher.
Donating blood seems to cause a rebound effect after multiple donations that drives crit even higher if you don't keep donating.
I personally max out at about 53 crit without cardio, regardless of dose. 49-51 if I'm doing cardio on a regular basis. If I'm donating it seems to go higher between donations. My platelet count is always low, the higher the crit, the lower my platelets, there is a correlation.
There is no reason to trust eGFR, you have to understand how it works, it assumes everyone is making the same amount of creatinine, which isn't the case, lots of things change your creatinine blood levels. You need a 24 hour creatinine clearance test to get a real GFR.
I admit I got sick of always fighting the same dogma over and over and it seems like every time you illuminate something it goes away after a while, this is why I don't post as much as I used to.
I think the blood clots in women may be from complete blockage all ER receptors in postmenopausal women taking novladex. It may not be directly related to the nolvadex, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Most bodybuilders train in such a way that maximizes RBC production. Sustained cardiovascular exercise is required for maximum blood volume. Doing essentially interval training (most lifting) and maximizing RBC production without concurrently maximizing blood volume with aerobic training can put someone with high crit even higher.
Donating blood seems to cause a rebound effect after multiple donations that drives crit even higher if you don't keep donating.
I personally max out at about 53 crit without cardio, regardless of dose. 49-51 if I'm doing cardio on a regular basis. If I'm donating it seems to go higher between donations. My platelet count is always low, the higher the crit, the lower my platelets, there is a correlation.
"Really on blood work GFR is eGFR or ESTIMATED GFR. This is calculated by using your creatinine levels along with your age, sex, and race. The main variable being creatinine which is a waste byproduct that WILL increase if you carry more muscle which doesn't always mean your kidneys are not properly filtering creatinine. Big thing for keeping your kidneys healthy is keeping your blood pressure healthy and controlling blood sugar... not becoming diabetic."
Yes that is true it is an estimate. But I have seen a substantial drop in egfr every time nandrolone is introduced, so estimate or not, I feel that drug is not friendly to my kidneys.
Creatinine is slightly increased with muscle bound individuals, yes. But the data from the studies showed the athletes on the higher end of the creatinine levels ranged from 1.25 - 1.35mg/dl.
LabCorp reference range is 0.76 - 1.27 mg/dl. Quest labs is a touch higher with the reference range for creatinine being 0.8 - 1.33mg/dl.
We can't walk around with creatinine levels over 1.4 thinking it's okay because we have muscles. It should be a red flag and something to investigate further.
Taking the supplement creatine will raise creatinine levels as it converts to this. So many pre workout sups have this in them.
There is no reason to trust eGFR, you have to understand how it works, it assumes everyone is making the same amount of creatinine, which isn't the case, lots of things change your creatinine blood levels. You need a 24 hour creatinine clearance test to get a real GFR.
How come you dont read my stuff man? I have said this many many times on this board.... multiple times! here is one time i found easily ..
there are many others http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/783610-post19.html
It puzzles me when i have written so much stuff on this board over the years and alot of it Ive repeated over and over again....and then it comes out as a surprise 7 years later...I dont get it. Are my posts visible? Can any of you see this post? I think the mods made my posts only visible to myself LOL
I admit I got sick of always fighting the same dogma over and over and it seems like every time you illuminate something it goes away after a while, this is why I don't post as much as I used to.
Because although the literature states it (propensity to cause blood clots) I personally feel its overstated (in men at least) .....and clomid, and a slew of other things are also supposed to increase the propensity of blood clots.
Think of this....think of all the competitors right before a show who have loaded up on nolvadex (hell antiestrogens and antiaromatase) before a show. And then they diuretic themselves and cut water the day before a show. Wouldnt you think there would be a blood clot bonanza happening during that moment during all these bodybuilding shows? I would...but it isnt happening...and back before anti aromatase....guys were boatloading nolvadex before shows with water deprivation....noone dropping.....I think its overstated.
Now if you have one of these clotting disorders like factor IV Leiden or the various others.....then i think your playing with fire and thats fire with testosterone/steroids/nolvadex/clomid etc
I think the blood clots in women may be from complete blockage all ER receptors in postmenopausal women taking novladex. It may not be directly related to the nolvadex, someone correct me if I'm wrong.