A great stack to keep/increase gains between cycles

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JFIta
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A great stack to keep/increase gains between cycles
I just want let you know about my experiment for muscle growth.
It's for anyone who wants to stay off gear for a while.
The 2 drugs are Clomiphene and finasteride.
Finasteride works by decresing dht level and increasing free test vs bound test.
Clomid works like a good antiestrogen and a great testosterone "releaser".
Stacking those 2 you can rise your free test a lot a keep your estrogens low and get no sides.
Why?
TEstosterone is converted in:
-Dht
-Estradiol
-Some remain free

-Finasteride rises your free test and decrease dht,but your new free test can be turned into estrogen.
-Clomid helps to keep estrogen low;
-All that new free test can make your pituitary shoot down the gonadotropin relase and lower your test production
-Clomid works to avoid this by sending a feedback too and allowing the pituitary to continue producing lh and so you test level will be still high.
All that were just my ideas.But I make a test using 50mg of clomid ed and 2,5mg/ed for 3weeks.

I was sarting to see a regrwoth on hair,great pump during the workkout,great recovery and some hair on the body too.
So i checke dmy test,free test,estradiol,dht levels and I realized what I supposed:
-Total test is a little over the maximum value
-Free test is a lot over the maximum value
-Dht is low but in the range value
-Estradiol is very low
-Fsh is normal.
So I've found a great stack to stay"Natural"for a while and continueing to growth a lot!
If you can stack an antiaromatase to this combo you'll get amazing results



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01-10-2002 06:00 AM



syntex2902
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So what your saying is that you take Propecia and Clomid ???
How is that gonna help me between a cycle???
Most people do post clomid therapy for three weeks anyway...
Im not flaming ya I just dont understand the post I guess???



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01-10-2002 10:01 AM



tent
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Thank you for wording it correctly!



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01-10-2002 10:16 AM



JFIta
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Originally posted by syntex2902
So what your saying is that you take Propecia and Clomid ???
How is that gonna help me between a cycle???
Most people do post clomid therapy for three weeks anyway...
Im not flaming ya I just dont understand the post I guess???
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The stack is intended for anyone who wants to stay off for some months(3-4months)and want to gain some more than a natural,but doens't want to use any aas.
My English isn't good,I hope you understand my experiment
Oh sorry I forgot to post the blood work results after my experiment!
In the next post.



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01-10-2002 10:43 PM



JFIta
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Well for all who want to know my blood works here you are:

Testo:Range:2.41-8.20 Before:7.30 After:9.1 !!
Free test:Range:12-40 Before: 25 After:41 !!!
Estradiol:Range:<52 Before:20 After:<10!!!
FSH:Range:1.8-18.2 Before:N/a After:5.36
DHT:Range:4-19 Before:15 After:9

Great results.Everyone at the gym asked my what I was on!



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01-10-2002 10:45 PM



MikeS
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Good idea. But, one problem is clomid wont prevent test from being converted to estrodiol-it will only block it at the receptors. Especially the pituatary, where estrogen can severly stunt the HPTA. A better choice would be to ADD some Arimidex, maybe .25mg ED or EOD. it will prevent the test convert to estrogen at the P450 site where aromotase enzyme is created. Much in the same way proscar works on the 5AR enzyme. Id keep the clomid in there EOD at least though-it really is great at site (HPTA) blocking of estro, for the amount remaining after arimidex does its job.



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01-11-2002 09:09 PM



JFIta
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Yes good point.But with natural testosterone production you shouldn't have such that problem.
Clomid stimulates the testosterone production and lower the estrogens level.The system does this by decreasing the level of aromatase enzyme.
Anyway it's true it can happen in very sensible users,but in that case, add arimidex,as I said,is a great thing.I love ari so much my friend and it works,but for someone it could be too expensive.
I hope some one could try this stack and let me know how it works.I used it on myself and worked great and so for 2 clods friends of mine.Any other experience is very well accepted