Anavar Dilemma

[MCP]

Or Sdrol

 

[Alzadosghost]

Well here’s a testimonial AGAINST anavar-

Had a script and was getting it straight from the pharmacy in my lat 20’s early 30’s. This was before I realized that I hadn’t escalated my overall gear dose appropriately so overall gear usage was low. Used 40-80mg a day at different points in that same time period. Saw nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Gave it another go with a UG lab maybe a year ago at 100mg a day. Nothing

It has officially been taken off the roster

I thought the exact same thing the first three times I used it at 60-100 mg and saw nothing from it. Last run I used 150mg+ and it really transformed me. Hard dry grainy and full. But it did destroy my cholesterol for a few months but it seems most orals do that though with exception of anadrol which didn’t seem to fuck with cholesterol much

 

[Mufasa123]

I thought the exact same thing the first three times I used it at 60-100 mg and saw nothing from it. Last run I used 150mg+ and it really transformed me. Hard dry grainy and full. But it did destroy my cholesterol for a few months but it seems most orals do that though with exception of anadrol which didn’t seem to fuck with cholesterol much

Totally anecdotal but I've seen far more variation in anadrol for an effective dose than any other compound. Some guys 25-50mg is gold, other guys need 100-150mg to see the same effect. You don't see anything close to that with other orals or injects. That said providing the drug agrees with you, once you find your dose... it's pretty bomb.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Var to me is in that underwhelming category. The dosage is just such a variable with it and you dont know what youre gonna get.

MORE THAN LIKELY, 100mg of drol or 50mg of winny is gonna make u feel something.
With Var, its hit or miss and all over the place. Some guys need 40mg and others need 150mg.
Plus the cost.

IMO, this is why i will always lean toward winny for contest prep.

 

[totalrecomp]

Totally anecdotal but I've seen far more variation in anadrol for an effective dose than any other compound. Some guys 25-50mg is gold, other guys need 100-150mg to see the same effect. You don't see anything close to that with other orals or injects. That said providing the drug agrees with you, once you find your dose... it's pretty bomb.

Only other AAS we see this with is test. Guys and gals are all over the place with their "ideal" test dose.

 

[BaetrixReloaded]

have you used anardol before?
really i think its one of the best aas there is in terms of looks and strength, its like miracle grow. its like just below tren level good.
wini is also pretty good gear. gives a great look and good strength. more so then say eq.
they have some details but to say there are useless is silly.

anadrol is great. I looked incredible on it, and my strength shot up through the roof. but given the short amount of time you should be on orals, and the fact the most of the gains are temporary, I don't think you can really put on a discernable amount of tissue. id rather use injectables if im trying to grow. just my $0.02

 

[danieltx]

anadrol is great. I looked incredible on it, and my strength shot up through the roof. but given the short amount of time you should be on orals, and the fact the most of the gains are temporary, I don't think you can really put on a discernable amount of tissue. id rather use injectables if im trying to grow. just my $0.02

Incorrect - another myth that Internet bodybuilding has propagated.

Orals can safely be used for months at a time by healthy individuals.

 

[BaetrixReloaded]

Incorrect - another myth that Internet bodybuilding has propagated.

Orals can safely be used for months at a time by healthy individuals.

i'm just going by my own bloodwork and how lethargic they make me feel after 6-8+ weeks on them. but I guess data and anecdotal experience doesn't mean anything. orals year round for everyone

 

[BaetrixReloaded]

Incorrect - another myth that Internet bodybuilding has propagated.

Orals can safely be used for months at a time by healthy individuals.

also would love to hear which pros are using orals in the offseason to grow when you have a chance

 

[danieltx]

i'm just going by my own bloodwork and how lethargic they make me feel after 6-8+ weeks on them. but I guess data and anecdotal experience doesn't mean anything. orals year round for everyone

also would love to hear which pros are using orals in the offseason to grow when you have a chance

I didn't say anything like that and I certainly didn't claim pros were using orals in the offseason to grow. I have no clue why you brought that up.

There are studies in medical journals showing people like AIDs patients taking orals for months on end with no negative impact. Everyone's individual experience will vary but as a general rule orals can be used for months at a time in healthy individuals.

 

[BaetrixReloaded]

I didn't say anything like that and I certainly didn't claim pros were using orals in the offseason to grow. I have no clue why you brought that up.

There are studies in medical journals showing people like AIDs patients taking orals for months on end with no negative impact. Everyone's individual experience will vary but as a general rule orals can be used for months at a time in healthy individuals.

yes, people with a medical condition should take their prescribed medication to deal with said condition. we aren't using it for that purpose.

the medical journals you're referencing also report increase in levels of LDL cholesterol and elevations in liver enzymes from the individuals taking it in the study. I think they'd be okay sacrificing some cholesterol elevation for the horrific muscle wasting side effects from being HIV positive.

 

[Mufasa123]

I think the broader pt was:
1) these "highly liver toxic oral steroids" per Gemelli, aren't all that toxic to most folks. Though everyone should get bloods and make sure they aren't an outlier.
2) given 1 they can be run a lot longer
3) the muscle gains, not water or glycogen, are certainly keepable. Muscle is muscle and injecting vs oral or esterified vs 17aa doesn't really mean much as long as blood levels are substantially elevated along with training and food

Now, is that tolerable for all humans - no. Is that most ideal or best practice for harm reduction - probably not. That said if bloods are OK and digestion isn't hurt, they remain valid. For me personally, I've always liked them. I run them at reasonable doses for longer periods then most (though orals aren't the norm for me on every blast for reasons of best practice and harm mitigation). Then again, my liver values hardly move and even lipid impact is about the range for what 600mg of primobolan does to them - they also do a lot more for me at 350mg weekly than 600mg of primo.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

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also would love to hear which pros are using orals in the offseason to grow when you have a chance

Post in thread 'Luki Offseason - blow up arms at 3" with SYNTHEROL(road do 320lbs)'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/post-3179463

Post in thread 'Luki Offseason - blow up arms at 3" with SYNTHEROL(road do 320lbs)'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/post-3085187

 

[SouthernMuscle]

i'm just going by my own bloodwork and how lethargic they make me feel after 6-8+ weeks on them. but I guess data and anecdotal experience doesn't mean anything. orals year round for everyone

Post in thread 'Is Anadrol toxicity overblown and a myth?'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...city-overblown-and-a-myth.176254/post-3232564

I think it's way overblown. It's never been deleterious to my liver values. this stuff was prescribed to children at 1-5 mg/kg body weight per day.

 

[LK3]

anadrol is great. I looked incredible on it, and my strength shot up through the roof. but given the short amount of time you should be on orals, and the fact the most of the gains are temporary, I don't think you can really put on a discernable amount of tissue. id rather use injectables if im trying to grow. just my $0.02

none of that is ture.
especially with anadrol.
lots of ppl run it for years on end.

 

[lifter]

Post in thread 'Luki Offseason - blow up arms at 3" with SYNTHEROL(road do 320lbs)'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/post-3179463

Post in thread 'Luki Offseason - blow up arms at 3" with SYNTHEROL(road do 320lbs)'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...-syntherol-road-do-320lbs.165508/post-3085187

Great posts you referenced and I especially like the first one.

Reminds me of a self proclaimed expert always making the rounds on the forums chastising and mocking those who dare to use orals. DaFuq do they know what works for each individual? Its one reason why I believe clowns that constantly make blanket statements regarding PEDs are a joke.

 

[SpectroTripper]

self proclaimed expert

And who would this be?

I believe clowns that constantly make blanket statements regarding PEDs are a joke.

You do see the irony in this statement, correct?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

And who would this be?

You do see the irony in this statement, correct?

i see a guy that began stirring shit with his very first post in the new members thread

Calm yourself

 

[Mufasa123]

And who would this be?

You do see the irony in this statement, correct?

So..."brand new member", joined Tuesday, 2 total posts and both aggressively going after same member. Maybe you could explain how you've been hurt or was that in the obligatory new member intro thread (you've reacted to posts in it I think but didn't see your intro - maybe that's post 3?).

 

[Alzadosghost]

anadrol is great. I looked incredible on it, and my strength shot up through the roof. but given the short amount of time you should be on orals, and the fact the most of the gains are temporary, I don't think you can really put on a discernable amount of tissue. id rather use injectables if im trying to grow. just my $0.02

A lot of what your saying isnt true at all and your spreading bad information. Where you you get your information on how long you should take orals? And you think injectable steroids gains are more retainable than orals? Why do you think that. And why do say it’s a fact? none of this is true. Your experiences are limited at best if you think any of this