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Bulking on a keto-type diet?

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How would you go about it?

Add more protein?

Add more EFA's?

Or add a small amount of complex carbs to some of your meals?

Anyone have any experience with this?

:confused:
 
ummmm, I wouldn't. But if I did I'd probably have a serious look at mauro di pasqaules metabolic diet.
 
How would you go about it?

Add more protein?

Add more EFA's?

Or add a small amount of complex carbs to some of your meals?

Anyone have any experience with this?

:confused:

Palumbo advises to add 25 grams of complex carbs per meal to his same diet to bulk.
 
I wouldn't do it. But if you did, you'd probably want to keep workouts brief. Lack of glycogen.
 
From my perspective and experience.. No. It just doesn't work that way.
 
I bulk regularly with the Anabolic Diet. It's as simple as increasing your calories. For me it's 4500-5500 cals from 65%fats and 35%protein during the week and up to 6500-7500 cals of 65%carbs and 35%fats on the weekend. Whoever said you'll have no energy due to lack of carbs, that hasn't been my experience. Energy is through the roof on the weekdays.
 
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I bulk regularly with the Anabolic Diet. It's as simple as increasing your calories. For me it's 4500-5500 cals from 65%fats and 35%protein during the week and up to 6500-7500 cals of 65%carbs and 35%fats on the weekend. Whoever said you'll have no energy due to lack of carbs, that hasn't been my experience. Energy is through the roof on the weekdays.

Well with that diet you replenish your glycogen stores on the weekend.
 
Well with that diet you replenish your glycogen stores on the weekend.

Even so, you can go longer than you would think on zero carbs just as soon as your metabolism switches over to the fat burning physiology. Look at the Eskimos.
 
Palumbo advises to add 25 grams of complex carbs per meal to his same diet to bulk.

Palumbo advises you NOT to be on a ketogenic diet to add muscle hence the addition of carbs.

The closest I've seen to a ketogenic bulking diet is Di Pasquale's. His supposition is that it is the addition of calories not carbs that result in muscle growth AND that the addition of carbs while they result in the shuttling of glycogen to the musce short circuits muscular hypertrophy.
 
Palumbo advises you NOT to be on a ketogenic diet to add muscle hence the addition of carbs.

The closest I've seen to a ketogenic bulking diet is Di Pasquale's. His supposition is that it is the addition of calories not carbs that result in muscle growth AND that the addition of carbs while they result in the shuttling of glycogen to the musce short circuits muscular hypertrophy.

Well obviously with the addition of carbs it is no longer a keto diet:) I was just putting out there what Palumbo advises for bulking.
 
Keto diets usually decrease your appetite due to the fat and lack of insulin spikes from carbs. I would find it hard to eat enough on a keto diet to bulk or even maintain my weight.
 
i have a hard time getting enough calories during the cutting diet

no way in hell i could bulk
 
What specific foods are you eating kingpeon?

I don't see any reason (theoretically) why it would'nt work, once you are fat-adapted (if you're able to). The real issue is the constant damned flatness which really is fucking annoying :D
 
A better question is why would you want to do this? Because you like gaining at a snail's pace?
 
A better question is why would you want to do this?Because you like gaining at a snail's pace?


LOL. No, tried the diet last summer and loved it.

It isn't a true keto diet as I usually get in about 10g of fiberous carbs (vegetables) with each meal.

Glycerine helped with the flatness and I looked the best I had in years (even my bloated face went away).

I was just wondering if something similar could be used to bulk with (or at least get close to it.)

:D
 
You won't find many fans here but again di pasquale's diet does work.

It's my belief that the addition of carbs work better but I'll be darned if I could prove or disprove it. You will have a very hard time finding trainers who support ketogenic or close diets for bulking. It goes against a whole bunch of not quite proven thoughts that pushing glucose into the muscle post workout fast and increasing insulin production will improve hypertrophy over the long run despite the fact that the addition of carb will lower insulin sensitivity and that the pwo carb loading essentially shuts down the longer term hypertrophy in favour of filling the cell with liquid and sugar.

There are definitely 2 schools of thought and the right answer is probably, something like, eat the right amount of carbs to balance the effects, rather than go crazy and eat sugar from the bowl or don't eat carbs at all.

While the body can certainly get along just fine without carbs it seems just a bit odd to throw out an entire macro from the diet and expect optimal performance.
 
Excess calories =Gluconeogenesis "aka" sugar. The body will do it if the numbers are there.
 
What specific foods are you eating kingpeon?

I don't see any reason (theoretically) why it would'nt work, once you are fat-adapted (if you're able to). The real issue is the constant damned flatness which really is fucking annoying :D

On weekdays it's grass fed beef, pork (from US Wellness), raw cream, raw butter, raw cheese, Zone olive oil, sesame oil, fish oil, evening primrose oil, local free range eggs, wild caught fish, TP milk & egg powder and vegetables of all sorts. During the weekend I've found that limiting protein has a nice effect on carb loading. The only carbs that go well with protein are vegetables anyway so I take all the starchy and grain carbs with oils and fats.

I don't know what other folks' problem is. This has been working great for me.

I do begin to flatten out a bit towards the very end of the week, but the carb load makes it worth it. I gain 10 pounds over the weekend that stays with me for days. Then as soon as I begin to get flat I do it all again. I've been consistently gaining mass with little bodyfat increases. You couldn't pay me to eat any other way.
 
Ketosis is a naturally catabolic state. Decreased thryoid output, decreased protein synthesis, decreased insulin levels, yet an unhampered ability to store fat.

Where exactly do you think those excess calories are going to go to?
 

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