D-Bol, T-Bol, or Tylenol

coolkat · Aug 20, 2009

Which is more toxic/ 20mg of either D-Bol or T-Bol or 325 mg of Tylenol?

jm425 · Aug 20, 2009

They are all toxic. Not trying to be a dick, but does it really matter if one is more toxic than the other?

Thick1 · Aug 20, 2009

Even over the counter supplements can be or become toxic to your liver. Which is why it is important to take care of your liver, Milk Thistle, Liver Aid etc.

liftalot79 · Aug 20, 2009

I ask my Doc the same thing

His Answer is Ibuprofen or Aspirin, Etc.

jm425 · Aug 21, 2009

liftalot79 said:
His Answer is Ibuprofen or Aspirin, Etc.

How is advil liver toxic? If I remember correctly, between all the otc pain relievers, tylenol is the most liver toxic. Advil isn't know to be liver toxic, although it can really fuck up your stomach.

thebrick · Aug 21, 2009

I have a friend at work that has permanent liver damage by taking Tylenol long-term (for headaches). I have an aunt that has kidney problems from using NSAIDS (for arthritis). NSAIDS are known to impair kidney function. None of it is a free ride without risks, especially with abuse.

Ironmanpits · Aug 21, 2009

According to Tom Prince OTC products ruined his health and career.

MrCyp · Aug 21, 2009

I havent seen anything showing tbol is liver toxic. I dont think its a fair comparison and there would need to be proof but I would guess the tylenol would be more liver harmful than the dbol.

smc252 · Aug 21, 2009

MrCyp said:
I havent seen anything showing tbol is liver toxic. I dont think its a fair comparison and there would need to be proof but I would guess the tylenol would be more liver harmful than the dbol.

Tbol certainly is liver toxic, it's 17aa. Low doses obviously aren't much of a concern... Taking 50mg+/day is though.

SecondAct · Aug 21, 2009

coolkat said:
Which is more toxic/ 20mg of either D-Bol or T-Bol or 325 mg of Tylenol?

I wish the answer was C, but it's likely A for me. No opinion on B as I haven't tried. I took over 1500mg's ed of Acetaminophen over years without issue via Vic 7.5's when ill. Never an issue with liver tests, 40mg d-bol for 6 weeks showed slightly elevated liver findings. I can't speak for all, or for only 20mg dbol, but for me I'm pretty sure A would be answer over a long sample size.

Tyrone · Aug 21, 2009

17aa's are live toxic. I don't know how much they compare to Acetaminophen or the otc of topic but I know my dad has the 800mg. script for Motrin for life and it's for multiple times/day...Hope that isn't TOO bad of a thing

taslajrisi · Aug 21, 2009

tylenol

My doc said that one tylenol will throw liver values up out of range. Its notorious for liver stress. Its not really meant for daily or long term use just use as needed.

coolkat · Aug 22, 2009

Thanks, That is interesting.

My father,(GOD rest his soul ) was on (2) 325mg of Tylenol a day for arthritis pain along with methyltrexate (liver toxic), and GOLD ( yeah the element gold ), and a bunch of other meds for chloresterol, blood thinning, ect.

Also, he drank some wiskey several times a month.

Doing all this for about 15 years before dying of lung cancer.

So, why worry about taking some orals and having a 4-5 beers opn the weekends?

I do realize there are those idiots that take things to excess.

What's hype, what's reality ? ? ?

Ashop · Aug 23, 2009

taslajrisi said:
My doc said that one tylenol will throw liver values up out of range. Its notorious for liver stress. Its not really meant for daily or long term use just use as needed.

Ive read some studies and info in the past talking about this same subject. Always a good idea to run a liver protectant,,even while off cycle.

MrCyp · Aug 23, 2009

Alin said:
Ive read some studies and info in the past talking about this same subject. Always a good idea to run a liver protectant,,even while off cycle.

I buy milk thistle in bulk powder and run about 500mg daily even if off gear/orals,etc..

Steak Helmet · Aug 23, 2009

IBUPROFEN has been linked to kidney damage.

When I had a herniated disc, I was sitting in the doctors office talking to a lady about my injury. I told her I was on 800mgs of IB for the past 3 weeks. SHe informed me she was on 1200mgs for the past 6 months. Her CT scan showed a decrease by 1/2 the size in one kidney compared to the other. Her only meds were IBuprofen.

Her doctor told her there was a study showing the link that ibuprofen can shrink your kidneys. I am sure shrinking kidneys are NOT good for your health.

jm425 · Aug 23, 2009

Steak Helmet said:
IBUPROFEN has been linked to kidney damage.

When I had a herniated disc, I was sitting in the doctors office talking to a lady about my injury. I told her I was on 800mgs of IB for the past 3 weeks. SHe informed me she was on 1200mgs for the past 6 months. Her CT scan showed a decrease by 1/2 the size in one kidney compared to the other. Her only meds were IBuprofen.

Her doctor told her there was a study showing the link that ibuprofen can shrink your kidneys. I am sure shrinking kidneys are NOT good for your health.

You are correct. I actually did some more research and advil's side effects include negatively affecting kidney function in can also cause stomach ulcers. This is of course if one decided to take high doses of advil over an extended period of time. Taking a few caps or tabs here and there won't hurt.

dabeast75 · Aug 23, 2009

Watch out people

OTC supplements are worse than steroids IMO. Since shit like Tylenol and Ibuprofin are 100% legal and OTC, people think its safe. Therefore people think they can take tons of the shit because big brother FDA and the gov are "keeping an eye out" for you.

With juice most people KNOW that they need to do something to protect their liver. They also know that once you go above a certain dosage you are at higher risk, (although some crazy fuck will still go and pop crazy amounts), which is generally not known about OTC meds. I have no idea how much to take or for how long. So statistically speaking, the juice is safer for those reasons.

I was on about 600 mg of Ibuprofin every 3 or 4 hours for about 4 weeks straight and thought I was doing nothing crazy since it was the only thing that handled the pain in my torn ankles (which came from using winstrol btw. It completely dried up my joints). Months later I still had elevated kidney values. So watch out people. Stay safe and dont take too much shit. More is not always better. What is the point in putting all that time and money into your body if you can only reap the benefits of it for a few years b4 you are all fucked up and in a wheelchair, on dialysis or worse, dead. And watch out for the OTC shit that is oh-so-safe.

jm425 · Aug 24, 2009

dabeast75 said:
OTC supplements are worse than steroids IMO. Since shit like Tylenol and Ibuprofin are 100% legal and OTC, people think its safe. Therefore people think they can take tons of the shit because big brother FDA and the gov are "keeping an eye out" for you.

With juice most people KNOW that they need to do something to protect their liver. They also know that once you go above a certain dosage you are at higher risk, (although some crazy fuck will still go and pop crazy amounts), which is generally not known about OTC meds. I have no idea how much to take or for how long. So statistically speaking, the juice is safer for those reasons.

I was on about 600 mg of Ibuprofin every 3 or 4 hours for about 4 weeks straight and thought I was doing nothing crazy since it was the only thing that handled the pain in my torn ankles (which came from using winstrol btw. It completely dried up my joints). Months later I still had elevated kidney values. So watch out people. Stay safe and dont take too much shit. More is not always better. What is the point in putting all that time and money into your body if you can only reap the benefits of it for a few years b4 you are all fucked up and in a wheelchair, on dialysis or worse, dead. And watch out for the OTC shit that is oh-so-safe.

Bro, wtf were you doing taking advil for a month straight?! Good thing your ok, but next time do some research on anything you put in your body regardless of whether it's otc or script.

UncleMings · Aug 24, 2009

My vote goes to tylenol

tylenol gets my vote simply for the fact the there is a large percentage of people who dont know that tylenol affects the liver and is abused by them just because they are OTC they think that they are safe.

I see people pop the stuff everyday for nething.