does anyonelse have this problem?

[qbkilla]

You bulk up, eat something like bodyweight x22 in cals. All clean, lots of oatmeal, tuna, chicken, olive oil, EFA's etc. You get big, but put on alot of fat, get huge but you just dont feel like your muscle is solid. People say how huge your getting and accuse you of juicing. You get very strong and the scale keeps going up with no problem, all lifts go up.

Then, you decide you have gotten too fat and want to cut up. You lower cals, go on a good diet, keep training hard. You lean up real good lose a ton of fat, however you lose a TON of muscle.

No problems adding weight, also no problems losing weight. However alot of the weight you add is fat, then when you cut you lose a ton of muscle.



I have been doing this for years, and I feel like im making very little overall progress. I eat clean on my bulk but still get FAT, and train hard on my diet, but still feel like im losing the muscle I gain.

It seems like others retain muscle much better than I do. Anyone who has been though this have any suggestions? The only thing I can think of is to slowley bulk up and make VERY slow solid gains?

 

[RationalGaze]

Your calories are too high. It doesn't matter if they are coming from clean sources. A cal is a cal and too many will put on too much fat.

Likewise on your cutting, you're probably dropping your cals too low if you're sacrificing so much muscle.

 

[Moen]

You bulk up, eat something like bodyweight x22 in cals. All clean, lots of oatmeal, tuna, chicken, olive oil, EFA's etc. You get big, but put on alot of fat, get huge but you just dont feel like your muscle is solid. People say how huge your getting and accuse you of juicing. You get very strong and the scale keeps going up with no problem, all lifts go up.

Then, you decide you have gotten too fat and want to cut up. You lower cals, go on a good diet, keep training hard. You lean up real good lose a ton of fat, however you lose a TON of muscle.

No problems adding weight, also no problems losing weight. However alot of the weight you add is fat, then when you cut you lose a ton of muscle.



I have been doing this for years, and I feel like im making very little overall progress. I eat clean on my bulk but still get FAT, and train hard on my diet, but still feel like im losing the muscle I gain.

It seems like others retain muscle much better than I do. Anyone who has been though this have any suggestions? The only thing I can think of is to slowley bulk up and make VERY slow solid gains?

I can ease your mind right now :

1. you haven't gained nearly as much muscle as you think you have on each bulk, however that also means you're not losing as much as you think you are (you just don't have it, this is ofcourse assuming you're not doing something extreme when cutting)
2. you seem to already know the answer so don't sweat it because we've all been through something like this

Just keep going at, not much else you can do!

 

[Shelby]

It seems like others retain muscle much better than I do. Anyone who has been though this have any suggestions? The only thing I can think of is to slowley bulk up and make VERY slow solid gains?

Bingo. Stop thinking of "bulk" and "cut".

Start thinking "stay lean and grow".

Don't get in the mindset that it's going to be "VERY slow" though... that's just self-defeating...

 

[petedw]

Have you considered working with a nutritionist next time you plan to cut. Plenty of guys on here that you could hire that know what theyre doing!

 

[EasyEJL]

keep in mind too, that strength + size don't necessarily come together evenly. so even if strength goes up while on surplus cals and down below maintenance doesn't mean muscle size itself is changing either way.

Have you tried following the DC principles for a few months?