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[EmpathyFabrication]

You do not need any AI unless health markers become affected by estrogen or gyno. Do not wreck your health with AI it’s not good long term practice. Water retention from estrogen is very minor at best and bodyfat gives the puffy look!

 

[aHarness]

You do not need any AI unless health markers become affected by estrogen or gyno. Do not wreck your health with AI it’s not good long term practice. Water retention from estrogen is very minor at best and bodyfat gives the puffy look!

You should use AI to keep estrogen in range or slightly above when blasting. There’s negative health (and gains) consequences to higher estrogen levels as well.

 

[cal]

I really don’t understand these threads. It takes 24 hours and less than $50 bucks to check hormones.

Is it really more efficient to come

unfortunately most of the convenvient testing services arent allowed in ny

on here and make a blind post hoping to get a blind answer… that’s rhetorical.un

 

[Liter O' Test]

You do not need any AI unless health markers become affected by estrogen or gyno. Do not wreck your health with AI it’s not good long term practice. Water retention from estrogen is very minor at best and bodyfat gives the puffy look!

Men get high estrogen mental side effects. Its more than just crying at the ASPCA commercials, when interacting with steroid users on the internet I can sense some guys e2 through the screen and I'm sure its wrecking havoc on their daily life without them even realizing it.

also prostate problems, bodyfat gain in female-like patterns (which is hard to get off), hyper tension, increase risk of blood clotting

Men just aren't supposed to have estrogen out of range, If I get to 55pg/ml, which on paper, is barely out of range, it doesn't' look like its a big deal to some people and i might not even have obvious side effects, but thats 30%+ out of range, and almost triple my natural estrogen (22pg/ml). Even an estrogen value "in range" is a huge change from my natural estrogen level and may have effects on my mood/mentality. 36pg/ml is 50% higher than my natural level. (womens range starts at 30pg/ml)

We don't believe in 300 ng/dl on the total testosterone range as being "ok" or "normal" so why should we believe that the upper range of e2 is "normal" or "ok"?
It's just the range from population testing, "normal" is not "ideal"

Look at skinny-fat guys, im sure their estrogen is in range, but their body or even personality is very unusual for just being on the higher end of the range of estrogen.

'Gyno or not' is a huge oversimplification for such a major hormone in the body and is extremely outdated, especially in 2024.
(not to mention some guys just dont get gyno with e2 as high as a pregnant woman)

Personally, I think the scaremongering around A.I is overblown and the health/mental consequences of high estrogen outweigh the reduction of a couple points of HDL from taking A.I

 

[primobolan]

Anyone that claims endocrinology is a one size fits all is 100% wrong, not even a question. What works for one individual can completely wreck another physically and or mentally. It amazes me how much this community is so open minded about performance enhancement yet when it comes to TRT/HRT and you don't fit into someone's idealization you're ostracized. I believe we should focus more on ratio's rather than ranges and with that being said my ratio is unique to me and could be completely off for someone else. Dialing in individually should be the focus. The nuance of others with agendas or products to push for financial gain have muddied the waters. I need an AI period to put me in an ideal ratio for optimization and that is what it is all about in the end, 100% peak optimization for the individual.

 

[RandomLifter]

People don't sometimes understand the accumulated effect that AI can have. .5 arimidex in 4 weeks can have you at idea range.. 2 weeks later a 10 point drop.. there is a buildup.. use the least amount possible and let it accumulated for a bit.. in 4 to 5 weeks get a blood test. Preferably two days after the AI last taken.

Least amount possible is precisely my approach on TRT for years. Once I start getting some nipple sensitivity, really oily skin, acne, etc I pop .5 (sometimes .25) mg once per week and it usually takes care of it for a few weeks.

Very reactionary when it comes to Estrogen bc I don’t want to send it off the cliff.

HcG (at maintenance dose) drives my estrogen up some as well.

 

[JJT]

It’s individual, like others have said. I also have very high estrogen, and on TRT I have to use 25mg of Aromasin EOD. On blast I have to use that ED or even Letro. Just to keep it in normal range, and this is with using lots of Primo too

Hey mate how much AI do you use for 700test/700 mast? and how much for you 700Test/700 primo cycles?

 

[jl9987]

I'm on 500 test, 400 npp, 300 mast atm, biggest cycle ive done in years.

Felt mint first 7-10days, im just over 2 weeks in, then last 48 hours energy slumped and for the past week noticed getting some spots back of neck, head etc...

NOT using an AI though, never even thought about it cos never usually need one.

Get bloods and check oestrogen?

 

[Swifto]

I'm on 500 test, 400 npp, 300 mast atm, biggest cycle ive done in years.

Felt mint first 7-10days, im just over 2 weeks in, then last 48 hours energy slumped and for the past week noticed getting some spots back of neck, head etc...

NOT using an AI though, never even thought about it cos never usually need one.

Get bloods and check oestrogen?

Correct.

 

[LATS]

I'm on 500 test, 400 npp, 300 mast atm, biggest cycle ive done in years.

Felt mint first 7-10days, im just over 2 weeks in, then last 48 hours energy slumped and for the past week noticed getting some spots back of neck, head etc...

NOT using an AI though, never even thought about it cos never usually need one.

Get bloods and check oestrogen?

Yes.. get estrogen checked.. just because you don't have symptoms doesn't mean it's not doing " ill will" over time..

 

[LATS]

Men get high estrogen mental side effects. Its more than just crying at the ASPCA commercials, when interacting with steroid users on the internet I can sense some guys e2 through the screen and I'm sure its wrecking havoc on their daily life without them even realizing it.

also prostate problems, bodyfat gain in female-like patterns (which is hard to get off), hyper tension, increase risk of blood clotting

Men just aren't supposed to have estrogen out of range, If I get to 55pg/ml, which on paper, is barely out of range, it doesn't' look like its a big deal to some people and i might not even have obvious side effects, but thats 30%+ out of range, and almost triple my natural estrogen (22pg/ml). Even an estrogen value "in range" is a huge change from my natural estrogen level and may have effects on my mood/mentality. 36pg/ml is 50% higher than my natural level. (womens range starts at 30pg/ml)

We don't believe in 300 ng/dl on the total testosterone range as being "ok" or "normal" so why should we believe that the upper range of e2 is "normal" or "ok"?
It's just the range from population testing, "normal" is not "ideal"

Look at skinny-fat guys, im sure their estrogen is in range, but their body or even personality is very unusual for just being on the higher end of the range of estrogen.

'Gyno or not' is a huge oversimplification for such a major hormone in the body and is extremely outdated, especially in 2024.
(not to mention some guys just dont get gyno with e2 as high as a pregnant woman)

Personally, I think the scaremongering around A.I is overblown and the health/mental consequences of high estrogen outweigh the reduction of a couple points of HDL from taking A.I

Yep.. like I said there is numerous ways estrogen can be affecting one negatively and they just can't feel the symptoms.. that being said, I think the dangers of AI are a bit over blown, but I do hate them.. they give me personally aweful joint pain.. even at low doses.. so I have to cycle them in and out a bit..

 

[Alzadosghost]

Hey mate how much AI do you use for 700test/700 mast? and how much for you 700Test/700 primo cycles?

Zero. Masterone and primo both crush estrogen. Double up on the test or you’ll be sorry

 

[LATS]

Hey mate how much AI do you use for 700test/700 mast? and how much for you 700Test/700 primo cycles?

Oddly enough mast doest effect my e2 blood levels.. primo? That's a different story

 

[Mufasa123]

Oddly enough mast doest effect my e2 blood levels.. primo? That's a different story

The going theory is that Mast acts as a serm and blocks E2 (makes sense as it's specifically used in females to block E2 in breast tissue). Primo and Equipoise both have metabolites - so downstream and dependent in amount on how a particular body processes them along with other factors. These metabolites work as AIs in the body.

Works same for me. Primo definitely lowers E2 in me by a substantial margin. That said, no issue running a 1:1 test or even primo a bit higher than test can work. Equipoise is nuclear E2 to me. 2:1 or near there is required. Meanwhile in some others primo is much stronger I'm E2 inhibition and equipoise doesn't even effect it.

Kind of wild. Wish we had better availability of blood work in the day and a population that would have availed itself of it. Here we are still learning some basics on drugs used since the 60s and 70s.

 

[LATS]

The going theory is that Mast acts as a serm and blocks E2 (makes sense as it's specifically used in females to block E2 in breast tissue). Primo and Equipoise both have metabolites - so downstream and dependent in amount on how a particular body processes them along with other factors. These metabolites work as AIs in the body.

Works same for me. Primo definitely lowers E2 in me by a substantial margin. That said, no issue running a 1:1 test or even primo a bit higher than test can work. Equipoise is nuclear E2 to me. 2:1 or near there is required. Meanwhile in some others primo is much stronger I'm E2 inhibition and equipoise doesn't even effect it.

Kind of wild. Wish we had better availability of blood work in the day and a population that would have availed itself of it. Here we are still learning some basics on drugs used since the 60s and 70s.

Yes mast acts like a serm.. I know some say it lowered their e2 but I have never seen blood work to back that up.. I think many feel " less symptoms" therefore assume it is effect estrogen level..

 

[Jefe]

Is it really more efficient to come on here and make a blind post hoping to get a blind answer… that’s rhetorical.

You dont really mean that do you?

I’m guessing he’s new and it just never occurred to him? I’m usually wrong so

 

[IceCream]

It’s individual, like others have said. I also have very high estrogen, and on TRT I have to use 25mg of Aromasin EOD. On blast I have to use that ED or even Letro. Just to keep it in normal range, and this is with using lots of Primo too

do it matter if you are lean or no? you still get high estro no matter body fat?

 

[st114]

do it matter if you are lean or no? you still get high estro no matter body fat?

I’m lean year round and have the same issue. Haven’t been fat since I’ve been juicing so not sure if it’d be worse honestly.
Probably though