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I smoke…yes I’m an idiot. Is vaping “healthier”?

FrancisK

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I’ve smoked for far too long and I need to quit, I’ve quit in spurts before and it makes a huge difference in my health, you can visibly see it. That’s obvious but I’m saying that to illustrate how I REALLY need to quit, I’m getting older. Cigs are really starting to make me feel like shit which wasn’t really an issue before I was lucky in that but knew it wouldn’t last forever, last time I quit for a few weeks my friends thought I got Botox my skin looked so much better.

Yea I know I’m a bitch and I need to just quit, I get it I’m a weak bitch fine let’s get past that.

I just jumped on chantix, it works but it sucks it’s like tren it makes you depressed and angry but in worse ways, it is what it is I need to do what it takes. Besides that I also want to use a vape as a replacement, I need to find one with low nicotine because they usually make me sick and I’ve researched and found that is most likely the cause. I will wean myself off the vape eventually, I don’t even like them at all.

My question is that if I’m vaping like a douche I’m still addicted to nicotine, would that mean that the health benefits of quitting smoking aren’t worth very much or is the difference in taking in tobacco toxins the most important thing?

Also yes I realize the vape may also have toxins.

Thoughts? Is it the nicotine itself which messes you up or is it the garbage in the tobacco?
 

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Not an expert but I've heard the vaping is pretty unhealthy, the toxins. I chew the gym. Some say it's unhealthy, some say it isn't, I believe the studies indicate the actual nicotine is not unhealthy. The gum is great as a diet aide but expensive!
 

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nicotine is actually a very impressive nootropic, especially when combined with caffeine. nicotine is poisonous, yes, but it depends on delivery method as to how bad it can really be. by far, when it comes to health effects, insufflation (smoking) is the worst, followed by dip and chew. I sure as shit don't recommend starting or exacerbating a nicotine addiction, but I hypothesize those two methods of delivery as likely the least damaging to health

read: I'm not a doctor

reread: I'm pretty dumb. and still not a doctor
 

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My wife works for OPA (Organ Procurement Agency) and sees dozens of set of lungs a week and also has access to the patient history and she has said 100% without a doubt that the king's from people in there 20's-40's that vape are absolutely worse than the lungs of those that smoke cigarettes and are very very rarely transplantable except for the very young that have only vaped for a year or so.
 

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Having known two people that have gotten cancer (throat and mouth) from using Dip and chew I completely stopped that shit myself. I'd take a chew maybe once a week when I was doing something that needed my complete focus but after seeing my buddy missing half his face I haven't touched it since.
If the nicotine is the substance that you are after I'd definitely look into a different delivery system than chew , smoke or vaping.
 

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If you develop any mood altering from chantix get of it STRAIGHT AWAY!!

I nearly ended up in big trouble and if i didnt have an intervention i would probably have been dead or someone else. Dr prescribe this way too freely

I was so damn volatile and started getting suicidal and took a good 3-4 months to start feeling some what normal again.

On vaping not sure how much better it is for you but i quit using a vape, start with a certain dose of nicotine to cure the craving and lower it every couple of weeks by 2mg. Once i got down to no nicotine i threw the vape out.

If i go out and drink which i rarely do, but if i get proper drunk i will still have a cig or 5 when drinking and i wake up the next day feeling like trash... then dont want to drink or smoke for a fair while after.
 

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Hit the patch if you can. I don’t remember all the details but if my bro can do it so can you. He was burning to be packs a day. He got on the patch and said it was hard at first but started feeling better week by week.0
 

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If you develop any mood altering from chantix get of it STRAIGHT AWAY!!

I nearly ended up in big trouble and if i didnt have an intervention i would probably have been dead or someone else. Dr prescribe this way too freely

I was so damn volatile and started getting suicidal and took a good 3-4 months to start feeling some what normal again.

On vaping not sure how much better it is for you but i quit using a vape, start with a certain dose of nicotine to cure the craving and lower it every couple of weeks by 2mg. Once i got down to no nicotine i threw the vape out.

If i go out and drink which i rarely do, but if i get proper drunk i will still have a cig or 5 when drinking and i wake up the next day feeling like trash... then dont want to drink or smoke for a fair while after.
i know someone that this happened to also, but it been about 10 years so cant remember details, doc prescribed chantix and i cannot remember the dose but she went into severe depression and became suicidal, if i remember correctly dose was cut in half and she was ok with that.
 

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My wife works for OPA (Organ Procurement Agency) and sees dozens of set of lungs a week and also has access to the patient history and she has said 100% without a doubt that the king's from people in there 20's-40's that vape are absolutely worse than the lungs of those that smoke cigarettes and are very very rarely transplantable except for the very young that have only vaped for a year or so.

God damnit that’s definitely not what I want to hear, thanks for the info regardless.
 

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If you develop any mood altering from chantix get of it STRAIGHT AWAY!!

I nearly ended up in big trouble and if i didnt have an intervention i would probably have been dead or someone else. Dr prescribe this way too freely

I was so damn volatile and started getting suicidal and took a good 3-4 months to start feeling some what normal again.

On vaping not sure how much better it is for you but i quit using a vape, start with a certain dose of nicotine to cure the craving and lower it every couple of weeks by 2mg. Once i got down to no nicotine i threw the vape out.

If i go out and drink which i rarely do, but if i get proper drunk i will still have a cig or 5 when drinking and i wake up the next day feeling like trash... then dont want to drink or smoke for a fair while after.

Yea the shit is definitely rough but I’ve been on it before I know what to expect, the dreams end up being funny to me after a while but the stuff definitely makes you depressed regardless. I sincerely appreciate the concern…
 

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So really what I’m gathering here is that quitting smoking cigs isn’t worth all that much until I get off the vape too….?
 

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Ehhh i understand Gunsmith's opinion, but knowing several people in the field as well, they have a different viewpoint.

NIcotine by itself is not the dangerous part, its the other weird shit in there. Basically, what I've been told is....KNOW wtf you're vaping.
Basically, getting the liquid yourself is safer than trusting some weird shit from a gas station. The reality is that we don't know wtf is in there and whats going to happen 10+ years from now. But WE DO KNOW that the tobacco tar that is burned causes cancer, its 100% proven thing.
So any other way to chase that high is just a gamble right now.

Myself? My wife vapes and i enjoy some pulls but i honestly don't get anything from it. Other than that, i DO admit that if I'm at a bar (i don't drink at all) with friends, i do enjoy a nice social cigarette. You guys are gonna think I'm gross as fuck — but I've DIETED for a show and smoke legit packs. Straight Markus Ruhl style haha that smoke would wipe my appetite. I basically would smoke a couple cigs during my work day because i would be fuckin starving those last 6 weeks. Obviously NOT good when I'm banging Tren and orals, but i was like mid 20's at that point lol

And honestly, a drug is a drug. We all know dudes who push 1g of tren and are fine and will beeee fine for a long time. And other who run 300mg and feel like shit and will be in trouble when they're 60. The same goes for cigarettes, vaping and alcohol. Its a genetic gamble with what our body can handle and we all play that game. TO each their own.
 

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No, don't touch the vape. It can be more addictive due to ease of access. MAYBE if you use nicotine free juice, but as others' said, the new research on them may show new deleterious effects. I don't consider nicotine bad.

I'd look into nicotine pouches. Sold at many gas stations. Rogue taste great. ON pouches do too and hit pretty hard.

I only use chew on occasion, mainly camel snus .
 

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nicotine is actually a very impressive nootropic, especially when combined with caffeine. nicotine is poisonous, yes, but it depends on delivery method as to how bad it can really be. by far, when it comes to health effects, insufflation (smoking) is the worst, followed by dip and chew. I sure as shit don't recommend starting or exacerbating a nicotine addiction, but I hypothesize those two methods of delivery as likely the least damaging to health

read: I'm not a doctor

reread: I'm pretty dumb. and still not a doctor

Nicotine is an amazing nootropic

@FrancisK Btw, the nicotine pouches are tobacco free
 

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Nothing beats the wintergreen pouches
Know a ton of people that like the wintergreen. I still like the original. You end up remembering all the different strategic placements for max headrush. Been a few years. I should get a can.
 

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