I would never question your knowledge because you have forgotten more than I will ever know. However I don't understand why anyone, especially bodybuilders, should ever use a statin when we have discovered natural, healthier methods of normalizing lipids. More importantly, we know that there is virtually no correlation between cholesterol and heart disease and statins are harmful for our hearts (defeating the purpose of why doctors began prescribing them). I know you read all the medical research so I assume you've seen all of this. What makes statins ok for bodybuilders and not the general population with all of this in mind?
And no, I would never say statins are worse than tren or superdrol lol
I would strongly disagree in saying that there is no correlation between lipids and heart disease. It has been looked at so many times. Are there certain things that contribute more...just a blood pressure.. I would say yes but lipids involvement I do no believe can be disputed at this time. There are a few smaller studies showing how other things such as HDL, triglyercides ( my own research on that one) and certian subfractions play a role more then totol cholesterol and LDL but it would take some of the best studies ive ever seen to change my mind about the effect of cholesterol and LDL on CAD as ive seen it literally thousands of times in patients. Ive also seen statins stablize and help reverse damage being done and then posted here about two years ago when I had a doctor who came in with a cardaic CTA a few years after stopping his statins and what happened..just one of many ive seen.
I know i posted this before, but as recently as 2012-2013 I personally looked at triglyercides and i certainly accounted for as many variables as possible, and they showed a significant correlation with both abdominal aorta plaque and coronary plaque. Of course I am aware of MOA of statins and minimal effects of tris but that isnt my point.I also strongly advocate for controlling tris and i happen to like using EPA for that ( not DHA).
I would never think that something that is labeled as "healthier" or "natural" is truely that. It takes very large studies to show that. Many drugs given to a pretty large group of people over certain periods of time didnt show any issues but when samples size AND duration increased then we saw some issues. It would be very short sighted to think that something we classify as natural is healthier and it takes outcomes studies to show effectiveness.
Part of my reasons is because I personally see bodybuilders scans from guys who are in there early 30's and early 40's and see so many that are well advanced with coronary artery disease and calcified plaque in there vasculature. This is NOT normal and it is above what would be expected so after seeing so much of this and given what we know about AAS ive personally stratified that many AAS users/abusers are high risk and would likely benefit from statins.
In an ideal world guys would keep cycles very short, nothing really harmful, limit any damage and wouldnt need to worry. But just clicking through threads on proM i can tell that this is a higher risk population then I would want it to be.
You know i believe in diet and exercise and for MOST patients this is enough and I wouldnt recommend drugs. But this community is taking drugs..it had a profound effect on our bodies and you are trying to battle the side effects of strong drugs ( AAS) with truely natural means like diet and exercise.. It can help but in my opinion for the guys who are abusing AAS statins may be worth looking into.
I know you have a good grasp on these things and ive stated before that if someone fully understands the science, understands the risks, then that is there choice to makes and i fully respect that. In my opinion poor lipids in directly linked to CAD, statins improve lipids and remodel plaques that are present and would be beneficial to high risk AAS bbers. Ask me in 10 years and if new data comes out to support something different my stance my change. To me its not personal, its just fact based.