Keto Diet.....Why do this?

[2jacked4u]

Just as my title stated.... Why? I mean deprive yourself of vital carbs that are used for the transportation of nutrients? I mean Ive heard of everything from...no carbs at all then 1 cheat or re-feed day....to a few high fat days and such. Why? I mean why not just stick to proper ratios of macros and adjusting it acordingly? Thanks in advance for your replies!

 

[robot]

Please explain what element of carbs is vital.

 

[dr intensity]

all precontest diets(keto or carb cycling) are designed with one thing in common ie high Protien with a calorie deficet.... all we try to do is
1. Mentain Muscle Mass
2. Try to loose 1 kg fat/week untill we get down to 4 percent bodyfat.

now on the removal of carbs from the diet body shifts from glucose utilization to stored bodyfat fat(free fatty aids) for energy purposes.... however certain organs like brain cannot use free fatty acids.....therefore the free fatty acids are converted to ketone bodies via incomplete breakdown of free fatty acids in the liver.... which can be utilized by the brain.

there fore the hunger cravings are less on a keto diet.

Cheat meal;- T3 levels ( regulate BMR) can get lowered on a long duration zero carb diet.... therefore the insulin spike we get from the cheat meal can help maximizing or restoring the T3 levels.....

so all we are trying to do is to feed the muscle and burn away the starved fat

carbs are needed for high intensity training... which we can get via Gluconeogenisis....

however many people complain of lack of pump, or lack of muscle fullness on, or too much muscle loss a keto diet.... then probably those people can go for carb cycling type of diet.... But many people swear by keto diet ( dave palumbo and his diciples).....so its all about hit and trial and finding the right kind of diet for ourself.....

 

[debo0211]

all I know, is if you are on dnp, this will kill you dead, keto diet..

 

[billmeek]

Well there are no "essential carbs." There are quite a few civilizations that get by eating no carbs whatsoever, eskimos for example. Also, in my opinion, a diet rich in essential fats is healthier than a lowfat diet no matter how healthy the carbs. Lastly, through personal experience it is a very effective way to lose bodyfat and maintain muscle. For all of these reasons, I choose to diet using a VLCD (very low carb diet - thanks for the acronym Shelby!)

 

[swoletrain]

VLCD is a great way to burn fat and maintain muscle. I am in my 4th week and my body is changing at a rapid pace!

 

[Johnny Smiles]

i am very opinionated about this

i don't have much "sceince" for my DISLIKE of keto diets, i just simply HATE them. they are WAY to high maintenance IMO. plus, they make me feel like shit.
i eat the same amount of food everymeal and never feel like shit and always feel strong and am just as lean as a guy on keto diet so IMO keto diets are not needed to be lean.

thats just experience. no science really.... -JS

 

[killbill]

I did keto last year and SHREDDED! I HATE keto though. 2 months off keto on a maint. diet I gained fat quickly. Keto imo is a waste unless you are getting ready for a competition.

 

[2jacked4u]

all precontest diets(keto or carb cycling) are designed with one thing in common ie high Protien with a calorie deficet.... all we try to do is
1. Mentain Muscle Mass
2. Try to loose 1 kg fat/week untill we get down to 4 percent bodyfat.

now on the removal of carbs from the diet body shifts from glucose utilization to stored bodyfat fat(free fatty aids) for energy purposes.... however certain organs like brain cannot use free fatty acids.....therefore the free fatty acids are converted to ketone bodies via incomplete breakdown of free fatty acids in the liver.... which can be utilized by the brain.

there fore the hunger cravings are less on a keto diet.

Cheat meal;- T3 levels ( regulate BMR) can get lowered on a long duration zero carb diet.... therefore the insulin spike we get from the cheat meal can help maximizing or restoring the T3 levels.....

so all we are trying to do is to feed the muscle and burn away the starved fat

carbs are needed for high intensity training... which we can get via Gluconeogenisis....

however many people complain of lack of pump, or lack of muscle fullness on, or too much muscle loss a keto diet.... then probably those people can go for carb cycling type of diet.... But many people swear by keto diet ( dave palumbo and his diciples).....so its all about hit and trial and finding the right kind of diet for ourself.....

Good info Dr.
And I understand that there are no essential carbs.

now above are you stating you get one cheat meal a week and the rest is no carbs? And is there a sage amount of time that this Can be done? And surely there are going to be muscle loss?

 

[buselmo]

It really depends on the person...
i know for myself, i can get down to 8% with carbs... but to get lower, i have to cut them out.
but from my experience, you only have to do that for 4-6 weeks when you're already lean... starting out your diet when you're 15% with a keto diet is a HUGE mistake.

 

[dr intensity]

Good info Dr.
And I understand that there are no essential carbs.

now above are you stating you get one cheat meal a week and the rest is no carbs? And is there a sage amount of time that this Can be done? And surely there are going to be muscle loss?

one cheat meal as your last meal every 7th day is the basic Dave Palumbo protocol.

however Dipasquale, Lyle Mcdonald suggest different scheme of things(refeed day)....

but its all about losing 1 kg fat each week... if u can loose 1 kg fat each week then it does not matter, if you did a cheat meal or a whole day of refeed...


i cud not understand the last part(underlined part of the que) ... kindly rephrase it...

 

[2jacked4u]

Meaning is there a safe amount of time to be doing a keto diet? And is or will there be muscle loss? Thanks!

 

[dr intensity]

Meaning is there a safe amount of time to be doing a keto diet? And is or will there be muscle loss? Thanks!

ya you can be on the diet as long as you want....
now will you loose muscle or not....depends upon your genetics...all you can do is try to minimize muscle loss... How?

now look at the options we have for preventing muscle loss....
1. Eating high protien(1.5 grams per pound of lean muscle mass) .....
2. Lifting heavy: if you can mentain your lifts as they were during offseason then you have not lost any muscle mass....
3. Never try to go too low on calories too long....as this will definetly lead to muscle loss...
4. Overdoing cardio can lead to muscle loss.
5. Using AAS can help prevent muscle loss.

basically you need enough time to stay on the diet..... and try to loose as slowly as possible is the biggest insurance policy you have to Prevent muscle loss...

 

[bloodshed]

i feel that keto is great for some people, but not so much for others. typically a keto diet is most effective for people who are overweight and have higher bodyfats, or people with horrible insulin sensitivity. people who are naturally leaner though, will react better to higher carb diets. its all dependent on the person.

 

[Ivan]

Carbs

i feel that keto is great for some people, but not so much for others. typically a keto diet is most effective for people who are overweight and have higher bodyfats, or people with horrible insulin sensitivity. people who are naturally leaner though, will react better to higher carb diets. its all dependent on the person.

What did you mean exactly, "higher carb diets?"

 

[bloodshed]

What did you mean exactly, "higher carb diets?"

let me clarify a bit. I don't mean anything specific by "higher carb diets", what i mean is that people with those body types can better utilize carbs without putting excessive amounts of fat on. for instance ive seen 120 pound kids pound 3000 calories a day of pizza and potato chips and not gain an ounce of fat, while ive seen other people eat a little bit too much fruit and oatmeal and not too long down the road they become 250 pound blobs. I just feel some kind of people, like the ones i mentioned first, can eat a diet higher in carbohydrates than the people that fall into the second category without becoming too fat in the process.

 

[Lenny]

I think it all depends on how much muscle you have on your frame and how many preps you have under your belt. Oh, one more big factor is what kind of condioning you are coming out of the offseason in. I think no to very low carb diets work for people to kick start the diet or play catching up. I for one, have had to use low carbs to catch up in the pass, but now I prefer to eat well into the show and be fueled all the way to stage time! I have learned a lot by prepping myself, but I figured I can only learn more from others as well.

So many factors play a role, hard to pin point that this diet works better than that diet...trial and error with time under your belt tells us a ton..some peoples metabolisms are just more stubborn than others, so yes I would say keto works, yes I would say moderate carbs work, or even a longer balanced macro plan works, but hey I just decided to work with Alex this year to make the adjustments as needed and shoot me down a new path..loving it so far - eating really well into the show. Having some direction from an established prep coach is always good to help direct you down the right path.

 

[dr intensity]

I think it all depends on how much muscle you have on your frame and how many preps you have under your belt. Oh, one more big factor is what kind of condioning you are coming out of the offseason in. I think no to very low carb diets work for people to kick start the diet or play catching up. I for one, have had to use low carbs to catch up in the pass, but now I prefer to eat well into the show and be fueled all the way to stage time! I have learned a lot by prepping myself, but I figured I can only learn more from others as well.

So many factors play a role, hard to pin point that this diet works better than that diet...trial and error with time under your belt tells us a ton..some peoples metabolisms are just more stubborn than others, so yes I would say keto works, yes I would say moderate carbs work, or even a longer balanced macro plan works, but hey I just decided to work with Alex this year to make the adjustments as needed and shoot me down a new path..loving it so far - eating really well into the show. Having some direction from an established prep coach is always good to help direct you down the right path.

very well said

 

[ojs]

Just as my title stated.... Why? I mean deprive yourself of vital carbs that are used for the transportation of nutrients? I mean Ive heard of everything from...no carbs at all then 1 cheat or re-feed day....to a few high fat days and such. Why? I mean why not just stick to proper ratios of macros and adjusting it acordingly? Thanks in advance for your replies!

Please explain what a proper ratio of macros is? It would seem to me that whatever you eat, if your blood work says you're healthy, it's within a "proper ratio of macros'.

Myself, I live on keto year round. And have been on some form of Keto for at least 10 years. You make it sound like I'm suffering. Yet it's the healthiest I've ever felt in my life. I get my best workouts and feel the most energetic at around 45%fat/15%veggies/40%protein.

 

[2jacked4u]

Please explain what a proper ratio of macros is? It would seem to me that whatever you eat, if your blood work says you're healthy, it's within a "proper ratio of macros'.

Myself, I live on keto year round. And have been on some form of Keto for at least 10 years. You make it sound like I'm suffering. Yet it's the healthiest I've ever felt in my life. I get my best workouts and feel the most energetic at around 45%fat/15%veggies/40%protein.

Veggies are not carbs? Not saying anyone is suffering it just dosent sound fun to not eat any carbs, BUT I myself have not tried a keto diet to the extent as some others. It was under my impression that a TRUE keto diet was to only eat a "cheat meal" or re-feed day once a week as the Dr. instructed below.

So far good stuff from you guy's. Thanks!! For helping me grasp this concept.