O/T Smokeless Tobacco Users-Spitless Snus

[BigCracker]

Have any of you guys seen the new tobacco pouches that are spitless??? Apparently you can swallow the juice without getting sick like you would with regular dip snuff or tobacco pouches. I think it's called Snus? I plan on trying it today. Just what I need, the ability to chew 24-7. My coffin's gonna be huge though. lol If I say it, it won't happen, right???

What's next? Nicotine Suppositories? Nicotine injections? Nicotine IV Drip???

 

[Papa Van Smack]

wish i could quit......my gums are hurtin this morning.....as i reach for another dip

i think it's all work related. I hardly ever chew at home.....but a day at the office w/o it......is hell

 

[BigCracker]

wish i could quit......my gums are hurtin this morning.....as i reach for another dip

i think it's all work related. I hardly ever chew at home.....but a day at the office w/o it......is hell

I'm just the opposite. I don't chew at work-but I may start if I don't have to spit. lol I chew at home after meals and when I'm online-which pretty much means I've got a dip in except when I'm not sleeping or eating.

 

[e6er]

There weren't enough studies that prove swallowing tobacco juices would or would notnot give you cancer. I simply would not try it based on that.

Take that stuff for 2 years and find out it caused cancer of your intestines, stomach, bladder, kidenys.. no thanks

 

[tkav1980]

this cracks me up...bodybuilders are some of the most diciplined people on earth but still use tobacco!...im not innocent i only quit smoking 6 months ago but we really need to wake up around here as a whole and not go anywhere near this stuff. its like swimming with croc's eventually your gonna get bit guaranteed.

 

[6.8SPC]

Snus

this cracks me up...bodybuilders are some of the most diciplined people on earth but still use tobacco!...im not innocent i only quit smoking 6 months ago but we really need to wake up around here as a whole and not go anywhere near this stuff. its like swimming with croc's eventually your gonna get bit guaranteed.

If by "disciplined" you mean obsessive-compulsive than yes, you're right. lol

I dip and have also tried snus. I like it for when I cannot spit for whatever reason like at a nice restaurant, etc. Just throw a snus in and you get your fix without spitting in an old gatorade bottle. I reckon it would be great for plane rides too.

This is the brand that I like, I tried the camel brand and it sucked for the price (around 4 bucks). The Nordic Ice you pay the same but you get more pouches (25 instead of 15) and the quality and taste are better.

http://www.nordicamerican.com/nordic-ice-the-authentic-snus.php

 

[KillerStack]

Have any of you guys seen the new tobacco pouches that are spitless??? Apparently you can swallow the juice without getting sick like you would with regular dip snuff or tobacco pouches. I think it's called Snus? I plan on trying it today. Just what I need, the ability to chew 24-7. My coffin's gonna be huge though. lol If I say it, it won't happen, right???

What's next? Nicotine Suppositories? Nicotine injections? Nicotine IV Drip???

Snus is a Swedish product, illegal for sale in all other European countries AFAIK. I don't know what the difference is compared to other "tobacco pouches" but I have great experience with Snus. Yes I have one in most of my waking time.

this cracks me up...bodybuilders are some of the most diciplined people on earth but still use tobacco!...im not innocent i only quit smoking 6 months ago but we really need to wake up around here as a whole and not go anywhere near this stuff. its like swimming with croc's eventually your gonna get bit guaranteed.

Is Nicotine itself a killer IYO?

Great dieting aid a few weeks before a contest (in the form of gum) IMO.

Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Jun;77(6):1442-7.Click here to read Links
Effect of chewing gum containing nicotine and caffeine on energy expenditure and substrate utilization in men.
Jessen AB, Toubro S, Astrup A.

Department of Human Nutrition, Centre for Advanced Food Studies, The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University, Frederiksberg, Denmark.

BACKGROUND: Nicotine replacement therapy limits weight gain after smoking cessation. This finding is partly attributable to the thermogenic effect of nicotine, which may be enhanced by caffeine. OBJECTIVE: We assessed the acute thermogenic effects of chewing gum containing different doses of nicotine and caffeine. DESIGN: This randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study included 12 healthy, normal-weight men (aged 18-45 y). Energy expenditure was measured with indirect calorimetry before and 2.5 h after subjects chewed each of 7 different types of gum containing the following doses of nicotine/caffeine: 0/0, 1/0, 2/0, 1/50, 2/50, 1/100, and 2/100 mg/mg. RESULTS: The thermogenic responses (increases over the response to placebo) were 3.7%, 4.9%, 7.9%, 6.3%, 8.5%, and 9.8%, respectively, for the gums containing 1/0, 2/0, 1/50, 2/50, 1/100, and 2/100 mg nicotine/mg caffeine (P < 0.05 for all). Adding caffeine to 1 and 2 mg nicotine significantly enhanced the thermogenic response, but changing the caffeine dose (from 50 to 100 mg) did not change the thermogenic effect. None of the combinations changed the respiratory quotient compared with placebo, which indicates that glucose and fat oxidation rates were increased to a similar extent. Side effects occurred only with 2 mg nicotine. CONCLUSIONS: One milligram of nicotine has a pronounced thermogenic effect, which can be increased by approximately 100% by adding 100 mg caffeine. Increasing the nicotine dose to 2 mg does not increase the thermogenic effect but produces side effects in most subjects. Caffeine may be useful in preventing weight gain after smoking cessation if its thermogenic effect can be used to enhance nicotine's effect on long-term energy balance.

 

[willylee]

Been using Snus since Camel came out with its brand last year. Since then I have ordered some of the Swedish Brands, but still like the Taste of Camel Frost over the rest.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14660766?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedreviews&logdbfrom=pubmed

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There will always be controversy on tobacco products, but IMO I would rather chew a snus packet than smoke.

 

[BIG-D]

I quit a few days ago after reading about how much sugar is in the tobacco....pretty crazy amount.

 

[machola]

this cracks me up...bodybuilders are some of the most diciplined people on earth but still use tobacco!

i'm not trying to generalize here but i have my own theory on this. majority are disciplined too look good. nothing else really matters. its not about health or they wouldn't take steroids or smoke or mix whiskey with their protein powder like arnold said he did. seriously, some take clen, dnp, outrageous amounts of anabolics, its not about health... i could see how smoking would be useful when dieting to curb appetite.

 

[machola]

Great dieting aid a few weeks before a contest (in the form of gum) IMO.

don't fool yourself into thinking its not detrimental to your health. nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. that puts a lot of stress on the heart. many bbers are already jeopardizing heart health with aas use so adding nicotine would be another log on that fire. nicotine= #1 cause of heart failure. heart failure= #1 cause of death. i dont like those odds

 

[dieselbuilder]

i want to try this shit, 7/11 and wawa are advertising it and i havent seen it yet. i have heard good things though

 

[wtw11171]

Neah. I will stick with the Copenhagen pouches.

 

[maxmuscle925]

I ve tried that snus from camel it is ok you have to dip atleast 2-3 of them and for me it still isnt the same im more of a skoal man myself and grizzly when the funds are down

 

[marshallmadman]

No study has ever linked chewing tobacco to heart disease.

don't fool yourself into thinking its not detrimental to your health. nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. that puts a lot of stress on the heart. many bbers are already jeopardizing heart health with aas use so adding nicotine would be another log on that fire. nicotine= #1 cause of heart failure. heart failure= #1 cause of death. i dont like those odds

 

[machola]

No study has ever linked chewing tobacco to heart disease.

you're fooling yourself man. its a vasoconstrictor. vasoconstrictor= causes heart disease. do you believe smoking tobacco is bad for your heart? do you understand pharmacology? most important concept here is drug effects and routes?

when we smoke a cigarette we are inhaling nicotine. smoking is the route of administration. when we chew tobacco or nicotine lozenge, smokeless tobacco etc. the nicotine passes through the mucous membranes in the mouth. chewing or sucking lozenge is sublingual(under tongue) or buccal(cheek) route. same drug, taken different routes. the dosage will be different to receive a similar effect by different routes (smoking will require a smaller dose). also onset, peak, duration of effect will be different. but(this is the important part) drug will have the same type of effect regardless of which way you take it. its going to constrict your circulatory system whether you smoke it or chew it. this causes increased peripheral vascular resistance which causes bp to rise and strains the heart. also i think nicotine increases heart rate. horrible stuff. i don't care if you inject it snort it smoke it of take it rectal suppository its gonna kill your heart

 

[Loch Ness]

all I know is I tried a dip the other day and felt like I was going to have a heart attack. very hard irregular rythm. only started after the dip though

 

[BigCracker]

I ve tried that snus from camel it is ok you have to dip atleast 2-3 of them and for me it still isnt the same im more of a skoal man myself and grizzly when the funds are down

I tried the Marlboro Peppermint today and I didn't feel shit. Maybe I'll try 2 or 3 pouches and see if I get the same feeling from a dip of skoal. As of right now I feel ripped off.

 

[MAD_SCIENTIST]

gingival health

snuff, dip, etc...
It will do damage to your oral health. My professional advice is to stop or wean yourself from this. Your gums will thank you for it and also your body. Believe me, I've seen the damage this has caused to oral health. take care.





MS

 

[mojo jojo]

Studies have shown that Sweedish snus does not increase you risk of cancer. The reason for this is the way the tobacco is cured does not create many TSNAs (Tobacco Specific Nitrosamines). If you google Sweedish Snus you can find plenty of the studies supporting this claim.

US companies wanted to start selling it as healthier alternative but the Anti-tobacco groups would have none of that. To them it is apparently all or nothing. I fall more in the group of harm reduction. I figure if you are going to do it anyway and there is one product that increases your risk of cancer and one that doesn't then you should go with the one that doesn't.

Just to note Sweedish snus does still increase you risk of cardivascular disease due to the nicotine. Also I have no idea if the Camel snus is actually cured the same way as the Sweedish snus brands.